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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

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cpwill said:
Ironic you would say that, when, according to your link:

hundred

noun hun·dred \ˈhən-drəd, -dərd\

: the number 100

hundreds : an amount that is more than 200
—used to refer to a specified century
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But whatever. You were attempting to use time to discredit the authorship of the NT, and turned out to be wrong.
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The number one, to my knowledge, has always been singular. If it precedes the word 'hundred' it still remains singular. I'm guessing that the same rule would apply to one million, one billion or one trillion, though I'm not that familiar with New Math.
 
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JFish123 said:
Vandalism is wrong and he shouldn't gave do t that to a temple as it would only breed hate. But Sharia law, I don't think any person wants to live in.
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Actually, there's about a billion and a half people who want to live under Sharia law. Try to keep up.
 
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Cephus said:
Actually, there's about a billion and a half people who want to live under Sharia law. Try to keep up.
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I know. But it doesn't make it good or moral to live under sharia law
 
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JFish123 said:
To honor dead students they should. And to the second part, this country was founded on Judeo Christian values. But If someone wants to do a Hindu prayer in a court house go ahead. I may not agree with to whom your praying too, so I'm not going to pray with you. No harm no fowl.
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Ah, I understand now, you're just ignorant and don't know any better. This country was NOT founded on Judeo-Christian values. Just read the Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 of which begins: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." This was the view of the founding fathers. This was the view of Congress which approved it unanimously. It is a myth, a complete and total lie, that America is a Christian nation and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You ought to be ashamed.
 
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JFish123 said:
I know. But it doesn't make it good or moral to live under sharia law
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Nor does it make it bad or immoral. It just makes it true.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
There is no attack on Christianity, especially in the West. To say so is delusional.
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Then, just what is "selected by Islamic extremists to be murdered" ?
In truth, Christianity is under continual attack from those who are jealous and hateful .. and then there are the self-righteous Christians , whom I have attacked ..
 
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Cephus said:
Actually, there's about a billion and a half people who want to live under Sharia law. Try to keep up.
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How many 'want' to and how many are being forced to? And stats on that?
 
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Cephus said:
Ah, I understand now, you're just ignorant and don't know any better. This country was NOT founded on Judeo-Christian values. Just read the Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 of which begins: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." This was the view of the founding fathers. This was the view of Congress which approved it unanimously. It is a myth, a complete and total lie, that America is a Christian nation and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You ought to be ashamed.
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It certainly was founded on Christian values but was not a Christian nation in the sense that people, in contrast to Muslim countries, were still free practice their own religion.

According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes,

"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers".

Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Grant said:
The number one, to my knowledge, has always been singular. If it precedes the word 'hundred' it still remains singular. I'm guessing that the same rule would apply to one million, one billion or one trillion, though I'm not that familiar with New Math.
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:shrug: he claimed that the New Testament wasn't finished being written until "hundreds" of years after.
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: he claimed that the New Testament wasn't finished being written until "hundreds" of years after.
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Was that a singular "hundreds" or a plural "hundreds"?
:lol:
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: he claimed that the New Testament wasn't finished being written until "hundreds" of years after.
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Hundreds? Nooo, decades. If Jesus died in 30-33AD, the bulk of the New Testament was finalized by 115AD at the latest. Excluding whatever that one pseudepigraphical one.

I'm glad I added pseudepigraphical to my online dictionary. Such a strange word.
 
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Cephus said:
Ah, I understand now, you're just ignorant and don't know any better. This country was NOT founded on Judeo-Christian values. Just read the Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 of which begins: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." This was the view of the founding fathers. This was the view of Congress which approved it unanimously. It is a myth, a complete and total lie, that America is a Christian nation and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. You ought to be ashamed.
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Sigh, I said values not the religion.
 
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Cephus said:
Nor does it make it bad or immoral. It just makes it true.
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So is sharia law good and a moral law to live under then?
As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam's Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.

Man I cant wait to live under such a good, moral, just law. I personally don't understand why we don't have it already.
 
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Grant said:
Was that a singular "hundreds" or a plural "hundreds"?
:lol:
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:shrug: apparently now he is arguing it was one-and-a-half "hundreds" :D
 
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brothern said:
Hundreds? Nooo, decades. If Jesus died in 30-33AD, the bulk of the New Testament was finalized by 115AD at the latest. Excluding whatever that one pseudepigraphical one.

I'm glad I added pseudepigraphical to my online dictionary. Such a strange word.
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I think you are referring to the Gospel of John, which was probably written prior to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. The oldest fragment of the NT that we have is from the Gospel of John, and dates to about 115 AD.
 
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JFish123 said:
Sigh, I said values not the religion.
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Define the values then, a lot of things in Christianity were stolen wholesale from prior religions and social structures. How do you know that these "values" were Christian? Present your evidence.
 
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JFish123 said:
So is sharia law good and a moral law to live under then?
As a legal system, the Sharia law covers a very wide range of topics. While other legal codes deal primarily with public behavior, Sharia law covers public behavior, private behavior and private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Islam's Sharia law is the most intrusive and strict, especially against women.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.

Man I cant wait to live under such a good, moral, just law. I personally don't understand why we don't have it already.
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And that's from your perspective. Others do not share that perspective. You live under the rather absurd misconception that your way is the only way.
 
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Cephus said:
And that's from your perspective. Others do not share that perspective. You live under the rather absurd misconception that your way is the only way.
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It doesn't matter whose "perspective" it is. Cutting peoples hands off for theft, permission to beat women, killing people for changing religion, is wrong and crazy universally, regardless of how some people may feel about it.
 
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The Bible has more than a few such impositions. The death penalty for cursing a parent, taking the Lord's name in vain, not crying out loudly enough while being raped, or even not being a virgin on your wedding night (Those last two apply women only.) are some examples. Remember the guy who picked up sticks on the Sabbath? Death..... Look to the beam in your own eye.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
He broke every social tenet to speak to a woman, broke more as she was morally judged, and then gives her the responsibility of delivery His message accurately.

That is not keeping women in their place, and it is not judging on moral grounds, a woman hooker as preacher is what HE is all about
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I think you're right about that. The Biblical Jesus, whether or not I believe him to be son of God, was all about that. I just wonder, when was the last time ANY Christian church looked to a hooker to go preach the gospel?
 
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Andalublue said:
I think you're right about that. The Biblical Jesus, whether or not I believe him to be son of God, was all about that. I just wonder, when was the last time ANY Christian church looked to a hooker to go preach the gospel?
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I sometimes attend an inner city church to hear a recovered alcoholic woman preach.

I am a recovered alcoholic/addict who is sometimes, in moments of delusion am asked to speak. There is a core and I think a healthy one that is returning to the concept of the "Ragamuffin Gospels" pointing out that Jesus hung out with the dregs of society, half his desciples were virtual outcasts, "tax collector" meant fraud, his "fishers of men" were day laborers, only one owned a boat. Peter was a screw up who had never amounted to anything, and of course Mary Magdalene was said to have been a prostitute, but more likely she was worse, an adulterer.

The middle ages interpretation of the Bible through Guttenberg amplified the Roman interpretation where one line of Jesus on the cross to James "tend to our mother" does not mean Mary is the mother of all men as taught by Romans who in their paganism worshiped the idea of a virgin birth as a sign of "immaculata" The teachings of a possibly syphylitic Paul were further mis-interpreted as directed at the whole church, when his writings were letters to specific churches in response to specific issues facing them, including churches in Greece where homosexuality was in open practice and accepted in society.

The whole business ignored cultural practices of the day, like the woman at the well. She is there at mid day the hottest part of the day because she is a whore - "woman you have five husbands" and is banned from being there with "clean women". His engaging her could have meant him being stoned.

So we have countless examples of him associating with the scum of "society" but people whose hearts he knew. One of the reasons he so outraged the religious law makers of the day was that he associated with people who might likely be banned from temple any given week.

"it is not the healthy who need a doctor."

I do not follow Jesus as God because I am pure, but because I an a sinner, will always be a sinner in this life and need Him to teach me how not to be
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I sometimes attend an inner city church to hear a recovered alcoholic woman preach.

I am a recovered alcoholic/addict who is sometimes, in moments of delusion am asked to speak. There is a core and I think a healthy one that is returning to the concept of the "Ragamuffin Gospels" pointing out that Jesus hung out with the dregs of society, half his desciples were virtual outcasts, "tax collector" meant fraud, his "fishers of men" were day laborers, only one owned a boat. Peter was a screw up who had never amounted to anything, and of course Mary Magdalene was said to have been a prostitute, but more likely she was worse, an adulterer.

The middle ages interpretation of the Bible through Guttenberg amplified the Roman interpretation where one line of Jesus on the cross to James "tend to our mother" does not mean Mary is the mother of all men as taught by Romans who in their paganism worshiped the idea of a virgin birth as a sign of "immaculata" ...

...The whole business ignored cultural practices of the day, like the woman at the well. She is there at mid day the hottest part of the day because she is a whore - "woman you have five husbands" and is banned from being there with "clean women". His engaging her could have meant him being stoned.

So we have countless examples of him associating with the scum of "society" but people whose hearts he knew. One of the reasons he so outraged the religious law makers of the day was that he associated with people who might likely be banned from temple any given week.

"it is not the healthy who need a doctor."

I do not follow Jesus as God because I am pure, but because I an a sinner, will always be a sinner in this life and need Him to teach me how not to be
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I don't doubt the sincerity of your beliefs for a second.
The teachings of a possibly syphylitic Paul were further mis-interpreted as directed at the whole church, when his writings were letters to specific churches in response to specific issues facing them, including churches in Greece where homosexuality was in open practice and accepted in society.
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I'm afraid that doesn't really redeem Paul one iota in my book, but interesting point, and one that many mainstream traditionalists would probably reject, no?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I do not follow Jesus as God because I am pure, but because I an a sinner, will always be a sinner in this life and need Him to teach me how not to be
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According to the gospel you cannot ever be living on Earth and not be a sinner.
 
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Andalublue said:
I don't doubt the sincerity of your beliefs for a second.
I'm afraid that doesn't really redeem Paul one iota in my book, but interesting point, and one that many mainstream traditionalists would probably reject, no?
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What is "mainstream"?

I would not know of it had I not monitored some theology classes where it is taught as one possible answer to Paul's illness he refers to, another is blindness and he dictated the letters.

And that is the real problem. We know so few hard facts. There is no way to prove anything.

"Mainstream" Christianity in the US appears to be Revelation based, a God of thunder and punishment, which to me is dangerous as there are hundreds of interpretations of John's dream. Even the final words about not changing one word is in dispute. I call this "knowing about the Bible" as opposed to "knowing God."

We also have to realize that Paul was in dispute with the church of the day, based in Jerusalem, and some suggest there is skulldugery in the fact there are no letters to the Church in Jerusalem from which he was getting money to finance his expeditions.

I do not seek to redeem anything of Paul or the disciples [he is not one] and I believe that as a Roman, took the church in the absolutely wrong direction and brought it under the control of the Roman Empire. I do not believe for one second that we were to be a church of priests and hierarchy, that by taking the church to Rome they mutated the faith to parallel the empire, complete with a ceasar/pope compelete with patron saints who parallel Romes famous and powerful pagans, who worshiped minor gods representing specific aspects of life. Helios became St Jude.

Under the Romans the church became an authority in people's lives, the exact thing Jesus fought against the Pharisees of the day with word's like "you pit of vipers!" like **** off today, or "you hypocrites". He allowed only one title of address "Raboni" or teacher which we are all called to be.
 
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I think there is no question that Jesus the human being existed. there is nothing wrong with admitting that no matter what you think of him being the messiah. I think there is just as much proof that he existed as there is that Alexander the Great or Aristotle existed. in order to believe there was some conspiracy to "create" Jesus you would have to believe something along the lines of a 9/11 conspiracy theory. there are too many impossibilities to consider. If the disciples conspired together why wouldn't all of their historical accounts be exactly the same instead of having sometimes huge differences in their stories about Jesus. it just doesn't make sense from the start.
 
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