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Rand Paul announces presidential run

The establishment seems to think he is already off the leash. As previously posted, Lindsay Graham recently said Hillary would do a better job than Barack Obama as would ALL the GOP candidates or potential candidates EXCEPT for Rand Paul. :)

But here's the rundown on what we know of Rand Paul's positions so far:

Rand Paul "On the Issues"

Abortion:
•Thousands of exceptions follow from maternal health. (May 2013)
•Coarsening of our culture led to 50 million unborn deaths. (Sep 2012)
•My opponents call me libertarian but I'm pro-life. (Feb 2011)
•Life begins at conception. (Jul 2010)
•Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)
•Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)

Budget and Economy:
•The sequester is the law of the land: can't compromise on it. (Oct 2013)
•We cannot continue to borrow $50,000 per second. (Mar 2013)
•Sequester doesn't cut spending; it just slows rate of growth. (Mar 2013)
•FactCheck: US borrowing $30,000 per second, not $50,000. (Feb 2013)
•Borrowing $50,000 per second is not sustainable. (Feb 2013)
•America needs Adam Smith, not Robin Hood. (Feb 2013)
•Penny Plan: Each $1 by one penny & balance budget by 2019. (Feb 2013)
•Keep the sequester, and increase it to $4T. (Feb 2013)
•Not every military dollar is necessary,nor every entitlement. (Aug 2012)
•Roll back federal spending to 2008 levels. (Jan 2012)
•We are borrowing $40,000 per second. (Jan 2012)
•Government not serious about controlling spending. (Feb 2011)
•Larger government is not a solution for economy. (Feb 2011)
•Bank bailout represented everything wrong with Washington. (Feb 2011)
•Debt crisis is approaching a point of no return. (Feb 2011)
•Bank bailout was bad policy & helped no banks in KY. (Oct 2010)
•No federal bailouts of private industry. (Jul 2010)
•Demand a Balanced Budget amendment. (Jul 2010)
•Limit federal spending growth to per-capita inflation rate. (Jul 2010)
•Sponsored bill increasing debt limit to $16.7 trillion. (Jul 2011)
•Supports the Cut-Cap-and-Balance Pledge. (Jan 2012)
•Disapprove of increasing the debt limit. (Jan 2012)
•Sponsored auditing the Fed & its actions on mortgage loans. (Feb 2013)
•Endorsed Liberty Candidate: End the Federal Reserve. (Sep 2010)

On Corporations:
•Most small businesses fail, & government often picks wrong. (Jan 2014)
•Cut corporate tax in half to create millions of jobs. (Feb 2013)
•Kelo decision was dangerous landmark in US law. (Sep 2012)
•Punishing the rich means the poor lose their jobs. (Aug 2012)
•Obama's "You didn't build that" insults American workers. (Aug 2012)
•Expand lending caps for credit unions to small business. (Mar 2012)
•Rated 14% by UFCW, indicating a pro-management voting record. (May 2012)

On Education:
•Allow school choice for everyone, white, brown, or black. (Feb 2013)
•Support homeschooling and parental responsibility. (Jul 2010)
Rand Paul on the Issues



You know for a "faint hope" candidate this guy sure draws a lot of socialist heat.

Like Sarah Palin they are terrified of this guy along with some Republicans.
 
You know for a "faint hope" candidate this guy sure draws a lot of socialist heat.

Like Sarah Palin they are terrified of this guy along with some Republicans.

Oh for sure. If Rand Paul starts gaining any serious traction, they will pull out all the stops and go digging for anything to use against him, make him look like a nut case, or discredit him in any way possible. If they can't find anything they can make look legitimate to use for that purpose, they'll make something up.

We are long past the day in politics where anybody was able to win by simply offering a more believable or attractive game plan. These days it is more likely to be the media's choice of candidate who gets the nomination, and then the left leaning media will do everything in its power to discredit the GOP candidate and make the Dem candidate look as good as possible.
 
Read more @: Rand Paul announces presidential run

Expected. Rand Paul is officially in the race. Not a big announcement like Cruz, just a little posting on his website, but he is officially in the race. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Yes, but a hell of a doozy speech, with two or three notable exceptions, his evolution over the past few years has moved him far out of the realm of my support. Oh, and if we are going to say "THEE" enemy is a religion, we're in for a riot ride.
 
Oh for sure. If Rand Paul starts gaining any serious traction, they will pull out all the stops and go digging for anything to use against him, make him look like a nut case, or discredit him in any way possible. If they can't find anything they can make look legitimate to use for that purpose, they'll make something up.

We are long past the day in politics where anybody was able to win by simply offering a more believable or attractive game plan. These days it is more likely to be the media's choice of candidate who gets the nomination, and then the left leaning media will do everything in its power to discredit the GOP candidate and make the Dem candidate look as good as possible.

By our standards American politics have been way too super charged with negative attack ads. When I used to pay attention to US media I often remarked that I knew the personal lives of every candidate for every office in Washington state, but nothing about what they stood for.

But it has gotten meaner and nastier over the years, and especially so since Obama lost the last election and the Republicans took over. It has become way more personal in here, I seldom get a response from a so called liberal that does not being with a personal insult along the lines that I am stupid or have "reading comprehension problem" while the core aspect of the post, damning is political terms, is ignored completely.

It has become ugly and mean, the sign of shallowness.

The Amerikan Liberal cannot seem to tolerate any difference, fellow Americans who disagree have to be denigrated not just opposed, and evenb a radical hopeless like this dolt have to be hysterically attacked.

It really is desperation and very sad to watch a country self destruct over petty **** like wedding cakes. Death threats FFS!
 
Read more @: Rand Paul announces presidential run

Expected. Rand Paul is officially in the race. Not a big announcement like Cruz, just a little posting on his website, but he is officially in the race. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Rand Paul is a decent, sensible man who's not overly political and doesn't have any problem expressing how he feels. Not every response out of his mouth is carefully crafted for a sound bite or to avoid damage. That's to be admired in a public official, in my view. And I do believe, like Jeb Bush, Paul will bring a desire to discuss issues seriously during debates, something that should be welcomed and encouraged.

That said, I believe he lacks a world view/perspective that is essential in an American President - the last 6 plus years have shown how dangerous it is for an American President to be disengaged from world dynamics. Paul is very much isolationist, like his father, and like it or not America will never be able to retreat to its own borders.

I think Paul speaks to the same small fraction of the Republican party that Cruz speaks to - at least Paul doesn't speak like a lunatic, so that's good for him. Paul had to announce shortly after Cruz, to ensure he captures as much of that fraction as possible before it's too late.

I do admire, at least somewhat, any person who puts themselves forward to serve their country in this manner, particularly when you consider the desire of 50% of the population to destroy you the minute you announce. I wish him good luck.
 
Rand Paul is a decent, sensible man who's not overly political and doesn't have any problem expressing how he feels. Not every response out of his mouth is carefully crafted for a sound bite or to avoid damage. That's to be admired in a public official, in my view. And I do believe, like Jeb Bush, Paul will bring a desire to discuss issues seriously during debates, something that should be welcomed and encouraged.

That said, I believe he lacks a world view/perspective that is essential in an American President - the last 6 plus years have shown how dangerous it is for an American President to be disengaged from world dynamics. Paul is very much isolationist, like his father, and like it or not America will never be able to retreat to its own borders.

I think Paul speaks to the same small fraction of the Republican party that Cruz speaks to - at least Paul doesn't speak like a lunatic, so that's good for him. Paul had to announce shortly after Cruz, to ensure he captures as much of that fraction as possible before it's too late.

I do admire, at least somewhat, any person who puts themselves forward to serve their country in this manner, particularly when you consider the desire of 50% of the population to destroy you the minute you announce. I wish him good luck.

Considering that Rand and nearly flip flopped on all of his issues I dont see anything of value he can bring as far as policies.
 
Yeah, that's why your poll don't mean much when in Iowa. Which is why I said Paul can win there.
Uhhh the polls i linked to are specifically about the state of Iowa, from Iowan Republicans at large, and in all of them they dont show Paul coming close to being the winner in Iowa.....

Its true.....and I said they wont be able to gain it for sometime. Who do they have to run in 2020 Should their Hillary lose. Answer.....No one of any significance. So if they lose in 2020. If they don't get anyone that can be popular enough for the left by 2024. They will lose again. Which would be over a decade.
You seem very confident... Especially after seeing these numbers.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 Presidential Polls
 
Considering that Rand and nearly flip flopped on all of his issues I dont see anything of value he can bring as far as policies.

I think he would refer to that as not being rigid ideologically, but I can't say that I know all his policy positions at this point. He simply seems like a calm, well spoken, rational individual who isn't overtly political and that's refreshing. I still think Jeb Bush will be the next President.
 
Uhhh the polls i linked to are specifically about the state of Iowa, from Iowan Republicans at large, and in all of them they dont show Paul coming close to being the winner in Iowa.....


You seem very confident... Especially after seeing these numbers.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 Presidential Polls



Yeah, they didn't show the same for his dad when he ran against Romney too. Okay.....whatever, now all can see how you are a GOP insider. :roll:
 
you haven't been able to get past your hate in years. You can't even refer to fellow Americans in polite terms.

Meanwhile the whore you back is a moral coward and incompetent, but no one calls her a bozo, no is the Democratic part a "clown car", just a dishonest gang of self important slobs trying to cling to power for power's sake

But if that's how you deal with it, trite, childish insults and boring asides, that's how your party will be seen

There so much hate in you guys, death threats over a comment to a reporter..um, that's taking gay rights waaaay beyond reason

your post sounds angry
 
Considering that Rand and nearly flip flopped on all of his issues I dont see anything of value he can bring as far as policies.



I am more inclined to respect a man who can learn and is man enough to admit he was wrong.

anyone who I have ever met who refuses to consider any form of change has been found also to be ignorant
 
I think he would refer to that as not being rigid ideologically, but I can't say that I know all his policy positions at this point. He simply seems like a calm, well spoken, rational individual who isn't overtly political and that's refreshing. I still think Jeb Bush will be the next President.

Look at any Rand Paul speech/quote before 2010 and none of that describes him
 
I am more inclined to respect a man who can learn and is man enough to admit he was wrong.

anyone who I have ever met who refuses to consider any form of change has been found also to be ignorant

If that what happened so be it, but considering just how many things he has changed from a radical stance to a mainstream republican stance I dont think that is the case
 
Look at any Rand Paul speech/quote before 2010 and none of that describes him

I heard him speak before 2010. Do you think he was irrational and not well spoken then? I was impressed the first time I heard him speak, which was actually on Sirius Patriot radio...I think it was on Mike Church's show. I've always found him a calm and rational speaker. JMO.
 
By our standards American politics have been way too super charged with negative attack ads. When I used to pay attention to US media I often remarked that I knew the personal lives of every candidate for every office in Washington state, but nothing about what they stood for.

But it has gotten meaner and nastier over the years, and especially so since Obama lost the last election and the Republicans took over. It has become way more personal in here, I seldom get a response from a so called liberal that does not being with a personal insult along the lines that I am stupid or have "reading comprehension problem" while the core aspect of the post, damning is political terms, is ignored completely.

It has become ugly and mean, the sign of shallowness.

The Amerikan Liberal cannot seem to tolerate any difference, fellow Americans who disagree have to be denigrated not just opposed, and evenb a radical hopeless like this dolt have to be hysterically attacked.

It really is desperation and very sad to watch a country self destruct over petty **** like wedding cakes. Death threats FFS!

You are savvy to the ways of the media and the politics of personal destruction.

Don't you think the **** like wedding cakes is a deliberate diversion to pull the attention away from the things that do matter like corruption, deception, fraud, graft, cover ups, extortion, and/or incompetence? I can start a dozen threads on things that really matter and such threads at most attract a few tepid responses and usually die an early death. But post something dumb Sarah Palin said or even casually mention that gay wedding cake in passing, and we're off the races for pages and pages and days and days.

What makes this pertinent to this thread topic, is that Rand Paul is not going to be allowed to really discuss his point of view or what he can offer to the debate. Nobody is. There will always be something else to draw the media attention and the national discussion.
 
I heard him speak before 2010. Do you think he was irrational and not well spoken then? I was impressed the first time I heard him speak, which was actually on Sirius Patriot radio...I think it was on Mike Church's show. I've always found him a calm and rational speaker. JMO.

I do as well, and I also find Ted Cruz a compelling speaker. But that does not in any way suggest I would ver vote for either. To me both made sense for the Teddy Roosevelt era of doing things
 
I heard him speak before 2010. Do you think he was irrational and not well spoken then? I was impressed the first time I heard him speak, which was actually on Sirius Patriot radio...I think it was on Mike Church's show. I've always found him a calm and rational speaker. JMO.

You can calmly spout crazy ideas but that doesnt make them rational
 
Read more @: Rand Paul announces presidential run

Expected. Rand Paul is officially in the race. Not a big announcement like Cruz, just a little posting on his website, but he is officially in the race. [/FONT][/COLOR]

It doesn't matter. rand paul won't be allowed by the RNC to win the nomination, along w/Cruz or Jindal. . .

. . .a fact which is obvious to everyone except the (clueless) bulk of GOP primary voters who actually believe their vote makes a difference :rolleyes:
 
Huntsman's daughter recalled today just how bad their roll-out was in 2012.
My best memory of Jon was when he was the only one to raise his hand that he would be for a 10-for-1 swap of cuts to revenues.
Even Sen. Coburn put out an 8-to-1 swap in his back-in-black plan of 2011, trashed by both bases, and which have us balanced by now.
With that, Kasich is the one GOP for whom I could vote .

I'd vote for Rand Paul over Hillary and Biden.

I still keep thinking I'm going to wake up and find out that Jon Huntsman is declaring his intent. Dare to dream...
 
You can calmly spout crazy ideas but that doesnt make them rational

I only think his foreign policy is off from where it should be. A lot of the other things he's said make sense to me. I don't pay attention to the religious stuff (from either side).
 
Well, Paul won the CPAC in Iowa with Walker coming in Second and Bush 5th.


For the third consecutive year, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul grabbed a victory in the Conservative Political Action Committee's presidential straw poll. Paul won 25.7 percent of the 3,007 votes cast, down slightly from 2014, when 2,459 total attendees gave him 31 percent of the vote. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, who placed fifth in 2014's poll, floated to a strong second place– 21.4 percent–continuing a run of successes with conservative activists that started last month at the Iowa Freedom Summit.


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Rand Paul Wins 2015 CPAC Straw Poll - Bloomberg Politics


How do I know, Because BO peep was a Senator who couldn't prove himself as a Senator Before he made the jump. Just like Paul and Cruz too. Oh and being partisan isn't being a Hack. Except when seen by those that Lean left.....and Way out far left Hoping for Utopia and Heaven on Earth. You Socialists!

And when Rubio comes out, we'll have the three stooges--or the three blind mice.
Now you know what McConnell meant when saying he had a caucus full of Presidential contenders with which to deal.

While the establishment wants a governor, such as with the Adelson summit--Kasich, Christie, Walker, Bush .
 
Huntsman's daughter recalled today just how bad their roll-out was in 2012.
My best memory of Jon was when he was the only one to raise his hand that he would be for a 10-for-1 swap of cuts to revenues.
Even Sen. Coburn put out an 8-to-1 swap in his back-in-black plan of 2011, trashed by both bases, and which have us balanced by now.
With that, Kasich is the one GOP for whom I could vote .

Yeah, Huntsman had a really bad campaign here. Bad staff, bad message....damn shame, too. He was my guy.

I like Kasich. I wish he'd think about tossing himself into the mix.
 
He is--his Vegas odds have dropped from 75/1 to 50/1 and I'll throw a Franklin at him. ;)
He's got the credentials in a hugely important state--Ohio--where the GOP convention is.
He expanded Medicaid and then won his state last year by over 30 points.
I think he learned from his Union mess when he first came in.
He now projects himself as the "normal" candidate.
Plus, Polgara likes him . :mrgreen:

Yeah, Huntsman had a really bad campaign here. Bad staff, bad message....damn shame, too. He was my guy.

I like Kasich. I wish he'd think about tossing himself into the mix.
 
He is--his Vegas odds have dropped from 75/1 to 50/1 and I'll throw a Franklin at him. ;)
He's got the credentials in a hugely important state--Ohio--where the GOP convention is.
He expanded Medicaid and then won his state last year by over 30 points.
I think he learned from his Union mess when he first came in.
He now projects himself as the "normal" candidate.
Plus, Polgara likes him . :mrgreen:

Plus, Polgara likes him .

Love it. :mrgreen:
 
He is--his Vegas odds have dropped from 75/1 to 50/1 and I'll throw a Franklin at him. ;)
He's got the credentials in a hugely important state--Ohio--where the GOP convention is.
He expanded Medicaid and then won his state last year by over 30 points.
I think he learned from his Union mess when he first came in.
He now projects himself as the "normal" candidate.
Plus, Polgara likes him . :mrgreen:

Cool, with Polgara's support, he's got a leg in.
 
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