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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just 24 hours in and Paul has already erred mightily.
    Such is the risk from one's general lack of experience. He's currently serving his first term in the Senate. At the same time, he's still evolving in terms of his ideas and philosophy, with one foot proverbially tied to his father's ideas and his other toward the broader mainstream. It's a difficult transition, as he risks losing his father's libertarian-oriented base. That base is small but energetic and passionate. In the larger mainstream, he faces formidable opposition from such candidates as Jeb Bush. One of the big challenges with that transition is that he could be perceived by both his father's base and the mainstream as a somewhat hollow candidate, which would be a sort of worst-case outcome for him.

    Personally, I don't see him winding up a serious contender for the nomination. He'll do better than the even more inexperienced and less-disciplined Ben Carson. He'll probably gain a higher share of votes in the early contests than his father did, but Scott Walker and Ted Cruz will probably be the strongest competitors for the most conservative part of the GOP while Jeb Bush commands the establishment. Walker, by virtue of his having executive experience and attempting to position himself as a leader who has demonstrated an ability to make tough choices, even if they are controversial, might have the edge on Cruz. However, Cruz's Super PACs have raised a lot of money early on, so Cruz will have some staying power. Cruz, like Paul, can be undisciplined at times. He can also be polarizing. If Cruz takes on an anti-GOP approach, he'll fade and as he does so, Walker could snap up those voters.

    It's very early, so a lot can still happen. However, at this point in time, I am fairly confident though that Ben Carson will be a non-entity on account of his lack of leadership experience and often inflammatory comments. Senator Paul probably won't wind up a strong contender either on account of a combination of his lack of experience and extremely difficult transition needed to gain broad-based appeal. Governor Christie already imploded and stands little chance of regaining his earlier position, especially with Jeb Bush seen as the Establishment candidate and New Jersey's again bumpy finances.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Rand Paul doesn't want to be in another party. that is where the force comes in, right?

    He has no other party he can go to at this point in time......as to the force. There is all kinds of force. Which is why you will see him get knocked out in the primary. Due to force. A force he can't overcome.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well I did just come back with I would still force them to.....Hopefully you would be leading the way as the obstruction.

    Show me how Libertarians can win an election without Republicans voting for them?
    They cant, but this is how could win with some of them

    1. run as an independent, anti party candidate
    2. the perfect candidate, intelligence, charisma, representative of the middle class, maybe a war hero

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They cant, but this is how could win with some of them

    1. run as an independent, anti party candidate
    2. the perfect candidate, intelligence, charisma, representative of the middle class, maybe a war hero


    I agree J5. Moreover we know in some Elections.....libertarians and or Tea partiers were the cause of a loss. That shouldn't have taken place. Or one that prevented the Republicans from gaining control of a Senate.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    He has no other party he can go to at this point in time......as to the force. There is all kinds of force. Which is why you will see him get knocked out in the primary. Due to force. A force he can't overcome.
    he can go to any party he wants to go to.

    voting is not force. your understanding of the political system is is in serious question at this point

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    he can go to any party he wants to go to.

    voting is not force. your understanding of the political system is is in serious question at this point

    In a Two party system.....he only has the 2 choices now. Yes voting is a force and so is money. For and against. Your understanding and comprehension is lacking, its due to a constraint placed upon your ownself, by yourself.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    In a Two party system.....he only has the 2 choices now. Yes voting is a force and so is money. For and against. Your understanding and comprehension is lacking, its due to a constraint placed upon your ownself, by yourself.
    when we say a two party system, we don't actually mean only two parties exist.

    what we mean is the winner takes all, and that setup will ultimately dictate that third parties will not garner attention or votes.

    he can freely run as a democrat, republican, libertarian, constitutionalist, green, vampire, etc, etc, etc,

    and no, voting is not force.

    got it?

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    when we say a two party system, we don't actually mean only two parties exist.

    what we mean is the winner takes all, and that setup will ultimately dictate that third parties will not garner attention or votes.

    he can freely run as a democrat, republican, libertarian, constitutionalist, green, vampire, etc, etc, etc,

    and no, voting is not force.

    got it?


    Sure he can run as anything he wants now, but he can win only as a Republican or a Democrat. Hence 2 parties.

    Yes, voting is a force too.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    What's the chance his dad would be his running mate?

    Running mates are an interesting discussion for me.
    What do you think of a governor as VP with a GOP Senator, if one of them wins the nomination.

    With Sen. Paul, I still see a lot of upside to Gov. Sandoval from your neighboring state.
    I call him the Southwest gambit, containing AZ--and bringing along NV, CO, and NM--with Gov. Martinez helping him .
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sure he can run as anything he wants now, but he can win only as a Republican or a Democrat. Hence 2 parties.

    Yes, voting is a force too.
    Until 2020, when Sen. Paul will be a sitting Senator without that pressure.
    If he ever gets a billionaire or two behind him, he'll develop a formidable 50-state slate up and down the ballot, state and federal.
    Making the Libertarian party the real deal as a 3rd party.

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