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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    losing?

    bwahaha. he admitted to his mistake and blamed a bong for it.

    you still haven't caught up. probably never will.

    caught up to what? Your lame insults?

    You have yet to post anything of substance, only cheap shots at other posters, me and MCC to start

    Do you have a point other than your opinion of the stupidity of other posters? If so you have yet to make it..
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    caught up to what? Your lame insults?

    You have yet to post anything of substance, only cheap shots at other posters, me and MCC to start

    Do you have a point other than your opinion of the stupidity of other posters? If so you have yet to make it..
    yes, I do have a point, and it actually pertains to something someone said.

    forcing people to join one political party vs another is wrong. MMC supports it, I do not.

    how about you actually deal with an issue of substance. you are not a mod, stop pretending to be one. if you think I broke a rule, report me. otherwise stop pretending to be something you are not.

    actual ideas are being discussed in this very thread. try to join in

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Since theoretically this thread is targeted at Rand Paul's candidacy, let's look at his announcement speech. The entire transcript is linked. It had a lot of stuff introducing him as a person and some background on what has made him the man he is.

    Here I pulled out the points that I think illustrate what his announced 'platform' will be. And if this is the real deal, there's not a lot here to dislike:


    . . .I want to reform Washington. I want common sense rules that will break the log-jam in Congress. Thatís why I introduced a Read the Bills Act. The bills are thousands of pages long. And no one reads them. They are often plopped on our desks only a few hours before a vote. Iíve proposed something truly extraordinaryÖLetís Read the bills, every page! . .

    . . .In my Vision for America, Freedom and prosperity at home can only be achieved if we defend against enemies who are dead-set on attacking America. Without question, we must defend ourselves and American interests from our enemies. The enemy is Radical Islam and not only will I name the enemy, I will do what ever it takes to defend America from these haters of mankind! . . .

    . . .We need a National Defense robust enough to defend against all attack, modern enough to deter all enemies, and nimble enough to defend our vital interests. But we also need a foreign policy that protects American interests and encourages stability ó not chaos! I will oppose any deal that does not end Iranís nuclear ambitions and have strong verification measures. I will insist that any final version be brought before Congress. . .

    . . .Conservatives should not succumb to the notion that a government inept at home will somehow succeed in building nations abroad. I envision an America with a National Defense unparalleled, undefeatable, and unencumbered by overseas nation building!
    I envision a National Defense that promotes, as Reagan put it, ĎPeace through Strength.í
    At home conservatives understand that government is the problem, not the solution. . .


    Rand Paul running for president: Transcript of announcement speech | Chicago[/indent]


    Heya AO. here is how it sounded. Yeah and he did play the Reagan card. He also made mention about calling things for what they are.


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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    yes, I do have a point, and it actually pertains to something someone said.

    forcing people to join one political party vs another is wrong. MMC supports it, I do not.

    how about you actually deal with an issue of substance. you are not a mod, stop pretending to be one. if you think I broke a rule, report me. otherwise stop pretending to be something you are not.

    actual ideas are being discussed in this very thread. try to join in

    Well, really I am for each (call it Tribe) being their own Party.....and getting rid of the two party system.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    I'd be more supportive of that notion if you could point me to one democracy where being a 'multi-party' system has been successful, or has resulted in efficient government. Just one. What inevitably happens is that the party's form coalition governments, which are just as screwed up as the two party system.
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, really I am for each (call it Tribe) being their own Party.....and getting rid of the two party system.
    how do you decide when a party has to fracture into two parties?

    so you kicked out the tea party, and the libertarians. great. does that mean everyone left in the GOP is the borg or what? Do they vote on a platform and that platform goes unchanged forever? break it down for me, because this still seems nonsensical.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    how do you decide when a party has to fracture into two parties?

    so you kicked out the tea party, and the libertarians. great. does that mean everyone left in the GOP is the borg or what? Do they vote on a platform and that platform goes unchanged forever? break it down for me, because this still seems nonsensical.


    Like I said before they don't have to get kicked out when wanting to be their own party. Whats so difficult with the concept of each being their own party. Having their own platform? The concept applies to the Demos too.

    Its not like it hasn't been thought of before.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Like I said before they don't have to get kicked out when wanting to be their own party. Whats so difficult with the concept of each being their own party. Having their own platform? The concept applies to the Demos too.

    Its not like it hasn't been thought of before.
    Rand Paul doesn't want to be in another party. that is where the force comes in, right?

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Republicans are lost. I am for neither party...but it is obvious which one is more electable for the White House.

    The reps are supposed to be fiscal disciplinarians (they are not and have not been for decades), big on the military (they have gone too far on that now - supporting unwinnable wars for paranoid 'terrorists are under our beds' reasons), and solid at handling the economy (it was Bush - and the Fed - that started America into the low income housing mess that ended up helping to cause the huge recession and then it was his ideas which were for spending the way out of it...a democrat staple).

    The Republicans are a mess and totally unelectable for the WH unless the Dems shoot themselves in the foot. Sure they can get the houses...but the White House is the Dems to lose so long as the Reps cannot prove they are fiscally responsible and economically more viable. But, right now, the only edge they have is the military. And that alone is not enough except when there is a war on.

    Though I personally find Rand Paul a disappointment (being a big fan of his Pop), at least he offers a moderate who appears willing to listen and be reasonable on issues (whether you agree with his positions or not).
    This, Neocon-run, Republican, terrorism paranoia will not win the WH (again, barring a Dem screw up or a war/another 9/11 attack) so long as the party remains clearly just as clueless on the economy and the budget as the Dems are. But at least the Dems offer reason and help for the poor...a huge vote winner.
    And with the poor growing in numbers as the economy continues to stagnate (over 30% rise in food stamp usage since Obama took office), the Reps had better reach out to them on some level, because poor people care little about ISIS and far more about a solid job.
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Just 24 hours in and Paul has already erred mightily.

    On first official day on the trail, Rand Paul turns in a prickly performance - The Washington Post

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kel...d-to-butt-out/

    If by some miracle he was the GOP nominee next year, the press would have an absolute field day with him and he would end up looking like a raving lunatic making Goldwater in 64 look like a moderate.
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