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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    so what problem did Ron Paul fix?
    Did you miss this part of my post. "but just like his dad, who the monopolistic GOP fenced out"
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't know about that. Ryan can be very endearing while Huntsman may be a really good man, but he doesn't have a lot of charisma, on TV anyway, or have all that much track record to back him up. He has been somewhat wishy washy on a few issues, and he definitely indicates some neocon tendencies that cause me to raise eyebrows a bit. After some further experience with him and knowing more about him, I might think he really is the one. But at this point he is still a question mark to me.

    But then I'm a little leery of Rand Paul too for different reasons but at this point I'm trying to keep an open mind and all options open.
    Good evening AO - hope all is well with you.

    My impression of Paul Ryan in the 2012 election was that he was the junior understudy of the CEO, Romney, and not ready for the executive suite. He and Romney seemed too business oriented, even though Ryan has basically been a politician all his adult life. I didn't think he did that well in the VP debate with Biden - he looked shaky. Perhaps Huntsman would have been no better, but Huntsman at least had experience as a governor and experience internationally/diplomatically.
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's good. I don't think I'll be voting for him but I'll listen to what he has to say. He'll be spending a lot of time here so I'll get to meet him hopefully soon.
    While I did like most of what he said today, I will not likely vote for him either. His dad, Ron Paul, is a drooling nut job. I just can't shake the feeling that he will be somewhat politically influenced by him over time.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening AO - hope all is well with you. My impression of Paul Ryan in the 2012 election was that he was the junior understudy of the CEO, Romney, and not ready for the executive suite. He and Romney seemed too business oriented, even though Ryan has basically been a politician all his adult life. I didn't think he did that well in the VP debate with Biden - he looked shaky. Perhaps Huntsman would have been no better, but Huntsman at least had experience as a governor and experience internationally/diplomatically.
    The problem with Romney and Ryan was that their answer to just about everything was either:

    A) We'll bomb it.

    B) We don't know, but we'll form a committee to figure it out after you elect us.

    Answer B was the CEO talking. We don't need a President who can't think for himself or plot out his own ideas.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The problem with Romney and Ryan was that their answer to just about everything was either:

    A) We'll bomb it.

    B) We don't know, but we'll form a committee to figure it out after you elect us.

    Answer B was the CEO talking. We don't need a President who can't think for himself or plot out his own ideas.
    I disagree with this. I WANT a President who doesn't pretend to have all the answers. Nobody does. I WANT a President who knows how to pull a good team together to solve problems. I don't want another President who pretends he is just a notch below God almighty and the equivalent of the savior of the world and all that. All I expect of the President is that he has a good grasp of how things should be and the administrative/leadership skills to get things done.
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'd vote for Rand Paul over Hillary and Biden.

    I still keep thinking I'm going to wake up and find out that Jon Huntsman is declaring his intent. Dare to dream...
    Wow I've never done much research on Huntsman but just spent about 30 minutes researching him. He's a guy we need in the Whitehouse! Was he too middle of the road to previously get the nomination?

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Huntsman was an ambassador to China for Obama for one thing--an immediate disqualifier for most GOPs.

    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Wow I've never done much research on Huntsman but just spent about 30 minutes researching him. He's a guy we need in the Whitehouse! Was he too middle of the road to previously get the nomination?
    As Paul tacks to the right on defense, the swift boaters are already out with a despicable hit ad on Paul.
    Which I think will backfire on the establishment, especially in states with open primaries.

    The biggest problem for Paul is that he is etch-a-sketch on steroids, and the film is out there to show his flip-flopping.
    As the swift boaters are now showing .
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Wow I've never done much research on Huntsman but just spent about 30 minutes researching him. He's a guy we need in the Whitehouse! Was he too middle of the road to previously get the nomination?
    No, he's a progressive big government RINO. He turns off the GOP Base and the Dem's... why vote for Dem light when you can have the real deal?
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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    I'm pretty pleased at how much enthusiasm for Rand has evaporated over the past few years. I'm honestly hoping he does poorly if only to put another bullet into the anti-interventionist/isolationist wing of our party*. So far the only candidates that seem possibly appealing to me are Rubio, Bush, Graham, and maybe Chris Christie.

    *Though I am pretty impressed at how open he was about his hypothetical plans for criminal justice reform on his campaign website and I'd like to see that issue raised forcefully in debates.

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    Re: Rand Paul announces presidential run

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Did you miss this part of my post. "but just like his dad, who the monopolistic GOP fenced out"
    ultimately, I judge a person on what he does, not what he says.

    the things Rand Paul have done make me think he is a better choice then anyone not named Gary Johnson.

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