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    Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Is he right?

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    Washington (CNN)—A key Senate Democrat is throwing his weight behind a proposal that would allow Congress to reject the Iran nuclear deal, complicating President Barack Obama's efforts to dodge Republican opposition and lock in the pact on his own.

    New York Sen. Chuck Schumer said Monday that he is backing legislation introduced by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) to give Congress the ability to halt the implementation of the deal once the United States and five other world powers finalize the details in the coming months.

    "This is a very serious issue that deserves careful consideration, and I expect to have a classified briefing in the near future. I strongly believe Congress should have the right to disapprove any agreement and I support the Corker bill which would allow that to occur," Schumer told Politico on Monday.


    Schumer: Congress should OK Iran deal - CNN.com
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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is he right?

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    Washington (CNN)—A key Senate Democrat is throwing his weight behind a proposal that would allow Congress to reject the Iran nuclear deal, complicating President Barack Obama's efforts to dodge Republican opposition and lock in the pact on his own.

    New York Sen. Chuck Schumer said Monday that he is backing legislation introduced by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) to give Congress the ability to halt the implementation of the deal once the United States and five other world powers finalize the details in the coming months.

    "This is a very serious issue that deserves careful consideration, and I expect to have a classified briefing in the near future. I strongly believe Congress should have the right to disapprove any agreement and I support the Corker bill which would allow that to occur," Schumer told Politico on Monday.


    Schumer: Congress should OK Iran deal - CNN.com
    Chuck can be a pragmatic when he wants to be. Congress has a role to play and Schumer seems to be protecting that role.

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    He is both right and wrong.

    If you read very carefully what is happening it all seems to boil down to the original sanctions activity, and the ability to undo it. There is some Constitutional question. How that was phrased then will determine what Obama can and cannot do without Congress now, and may reflect what Congress is needed for depending on the disposition of "the deal." The details of that original effort in conjunction with the details of the "the deal" will tell us. Does Obama make this an Executive Action, does he make this a treaty deal, etc.

    It seems to me this Congressional effort now is all about ensuring an outcome by ignoring the question.

    It is legitimate for Congress to pass a law requiring Obama to submit "the deal" for Congress’ approval irregardless, either as a treaty or as an executive agreement, as a condition for lifting sanctions on Iran. Call it a one stop gap method to ensuring Congressional role in all of this. It is also legitimate for Congress to ensure they hold up their end of the "to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur" bit of the Executive Powers under the Constitution assuming this ends up a treaty type deal. No matter if a law is passed or not by Congress, we have real question on what Obama has to to do here anyway. The question for Congress is going the law route means having the support level to beat a likely veto.

    My question is how much of this ends up political theater and how much of this ends up actionable? And because of this, have we accidentally made it better for Iran to not sign a deal until Obama gets his relation with Congress in check on this matter? Assume Obama goes the Executive Action route and the next President is Republican, that potential means this could be a short lived deal anyway.
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    I don't see how it makes any difference at all. The Iranians aren't going to honor any agreement made with the great satan. They just understand that once sanctions are lifted, they are difficult to re-impose. The "deal" is just lip flapping amounting to nothing whatsoever other than the lifting of those sanctions. There is no solution for us in any deal and lots of solution for Iran. Since we started this nonsense, the only common sense thing we can do is walk away from it and bear down harder on the sanctions.

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    He is both right and wrong.

    If you read very carefully what is happening it all seems to boil down to the original sanctions activity, and the ability to undo it. There is some Constitutional question. How that was phrased then will determine what Obama can and cannot do without Congress now, and may reflect what Congress is needed for depending on the disposition of "the deal." The details of that original effort in conjunction with the details of the "the deal" will tell us. Does Obama make this an Executive Action, does he make this a treaty deal, etc.

    It seems to me this Congressional effort now is all about ensuring an outcome by ignoring the question.

    It is legitimate for Congress to pass a law requiring Obama to submit "the deal" for Congress’ approval irregardless, either as a treaty or as an executive agreement, as a condition for lifting sanctions on Iran. Call it a one stop gap method to ensuring Congressional role in all of this. It is also legitimate for Congress to ensure they hold up their end of the "to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur" bit of the Executive Powers under the Constitution assuming this ends up a treaty type deal. No matter if a law is passed or not by Congress, we have real question on what Obama has to to do here anyway. The question for Congress is going the law route means having the support level to beat a likely veto.

    My question is how much of this ends up political theater and how much of this ends up actionable? And because of this, have we accidentally made it better for Iran to not sign a deal until Obama gets his relation with Congress in check on this matter? Assume Obama goes the Executive Action route and the next President is Republican, that potential means this could be a short lived deal anyway.


    It could be a short term deal anyways. Considering their Ayatollah has terminal cancer.

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is he right?

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    Washington (CNN)—A key Senate Democrat is throwing his weight behind a proposal that would allow Congress to reject the Iran nuclear deal, complicating President Barack Obama's efforts to dodge Republican opposition and lock in the pact on his own.

    New York Sen. Chuck Schumer said Monday that he is backing legislation introduced by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) to give Congress the ability to halt the implementation of the deal once the United States and five other world powers finalize the details in the coming months.

    "This is a very serious issue that deserves careful consideration, and I expect to have a classified briefing in the near future. I strongly believe Congress should have the right to disapprove any agreement and I support the Corker bill which would allow that to occur," Schumer told Politico on Monday.


    Schumer: Congress should OK Iran deal - CNN.com


    Yes he is Right TB. Here is what I had on it.




    Chuck Schumer bucks White House on Iran.....


    The comments Monday by the Democratic leader-in-waiting illustrate the enormity of the task ahead for Obama and his team: While there’s no guarantee that Congress would ultimately reject an agreement with Iran, there’s an increasingly bipartisan consensus that Congress should at least have the ability to do so.

    Within the Senate Democratic Caucus, a dozen senators have either co-sponsored Corker’s legislation or indicated they could support it. That would put the measure one vote shy of a veto-proof majority. On Monday, three more Democratic senators — Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Claire McCaskill of Missouri — left open the possibility of voting for it, according to aides. Their support, however, could hinge on whether Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), the new ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee, is able to negotiate concessions that alleviate concerns the bill could derail any agreement.

    But White House press secretary Josh Earnest declined to entertain that possibility, telling reporters on Monday that the White House sees no way to reconcile Corker’s bill with the president’s mission of finishing Iran negotiations before Congress votes on anything.

    Read more: Chuck Schumer bucks White House on Iran - Burgess Everett - POLITICO


    BO was talking out both sides of his mouth when he was telling all, he wanted to work with Congress on this so called framework understanding. His usual!

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Chuck can be a pragmatic when he wants to be. Congress has a role to play and Schumer seems to be protecting that role.
    New York is the one state where the Jewish vote matters. There are only two Jewish population bases left in the world. NYC is one of those.

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Schumer is an idiot- according to the treaty clause it is the POTUS that negotiates with foreign powers, not Congress. What exactly has Schumer done in all his years in Congress anyway? He's a career politician who sits on the fence on everything and only gets on TV so he can get reelected.

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    New York is the one state where the Jewish vote matters. There are only two Jewish population bases left in the world. NYC is one of those.
    Florida has a bit of constituency there.

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    Re: Schumer: Let Congress decide on Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Schumer is an idiot- according to the treaty clause it is the POTUS that negotiates with foreign powers, not Congress. What exactly has Schumer done in all his years in Congress anyway? He's a career politician who sits on the fence on everything and only gets on TV so he can get reelected.

    Mornin Pos. All treaties have to be approved by Congress. Here is a bit on Schumer with this issue and Iran.



    You have to dig down a bit further in the article and then recall some of Schumer’s history on the hill to really get the full flavor of what’s going on here. First of all, this “strong endorsement” is not a call for the rejection of the deal. I suspect Chuck doesn’t much care for it (more on that below) but he’s also not the sort to go running completely off the Democrat ranch either. Let’s keep in mind that the Corker bill does not reject the Iran deal. It reserves the right for Congress to review the deal and to freeze the lifting of any sanctions for a set period of cool-down time. Endorsing the bill doesn’t mean that Schumer is onboard with rejecting the framework, just that he’s willing to assert the authority of Congress as a coequal branch to be involved in the process.

    But Schumer might not have even gone this far – particularly when his star is on the rise in the party’s leadership structure – had it been any other subject than Iran. That’s because it has such a profound impact on Israel. You’ll recall that I previously said that Schumer wouldn’t be an upgrade from Harry Reid and that he’s about as far to the Left as one can get. That’s still all true, but there is one subject where Chuck is well known for crossing the aisle. He’s one of the leading Jewish voices in the Senate and has always veered away from his party when it comes to all things Israeli. One of the best examples was the hatred he drew from Palestinian loving progressives when said that the Gaza blockade made sense because Israel needed to strangle Gaza economically until they saw the light. (Schumer is also rather famous for his heavy Wall Street ties which ticks off the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party, but everyone is willing to give him a pass on that because, well… they all like money.)

    Chuck’s positions regarding Israel are the exception rather than the rule, and the rest of the Democrat herd is willing to forgive him the occasional jaunt away from Liberal doctrine when it comes to that subject. But this current brouhaha only underscores the fact that Schumer has a rather unsteady tightrope to walk between now and when he officially replaces Harry Reid. He needs to act like a strong, independent leader, particularly if he winds up being the Senate Minority Leader under a Republican president. But he can’t afford to be so independent that he angers his own base. Toss in his complicated relationship with his colleagues over Israel and you can see why he would back the Corker bill just to keep his options open, but expecting him to actually go to bat against Obama over it is hardly a slam dunk. This may be little more than window dressing when the entire passion play finishes rolling out.....snip~

    Iran deal criticized by noted conservative… Chuck Schumer? « Hot Air

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