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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then why say that the Constitution is inflexible?
    I'm referring to strictly following it, do we need a change to the constitution for anything the government does that is not strictly defined in the constitution?

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Which past history are you looking at? I'd like to see it.
    Do you know statistically who is more likely to leave their children behind in a third world country and come to the US? It isn't those that attempt to come here legally I can tell you that much.

    Also the reasoning that the government is giving for this program is to stem the tide of children coming to the US illegally like they did last year. In case you didn't know, that whole thing revolved completely around illegal immigration. Every one of those children that came here illegally to try and be with their parents who were here illegally also.
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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I'm referring to strictly following it, do we need a change to the constitution for anything the government does that is not strictly defined in the constitution?
    If it doesn't fall with in the current powers granted to the government.....YES. Otherwise you will get a government that is tyrannical in nature.
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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Do you know statistically who is more likely to leave their children behind in a third world country and come to the US? It isn't those that attempt to come here legally I can tell you that much.

    Also the reasoning that the government is giving for this program is to stem the tide of children coming to the US illegally like they did last year. In case you didn't know, that whole thing revolved completely around illegal immigration. Every one of those children that came here illegally to try and be with their parents who were here illegally also.
    I know it revolves around illegal immigration in a majority of cases, but that is not looking at specific reasons for all of these individuals.

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If it doesn't fall with in the current powers granted to the government.....YES. Otherwise you will get a government that is tyrannical in nature.
    So, absolutely anything not in the constitution needs an amendment? We will need thousands then. Tyrannical in nature? That's clearly happening

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I know it revolves around illegal immigration in a majority of cases, but that is not looking at specific reasons for all of these individuals.
    I don't care about their specific reasons. What makes their reasons any more important than those people that are here and here legally? Nothing. They are not more important than the thousands of hungry children in this country. They are also not more important than the thousands of children being abused by crappy parents. They are not more important than ANYONE in this country.

    We have our own problems that need to be resolved before we start helping anyone else in this world. As my folks once told me, "if you help those that are in need before you yourself are stable and able to help yourself then all that you are going to accomplish is dragging yourself down to their level of need instead of helping them to your level of not needing. Then instead of only one person needing help, two need help."
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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't care about their specific reasons. What makes their reasons any more important than those people that are here and here legally? Nothing. They are not more important than the thousands of hungry children in this country. They are also not more important than the thousands of children being abused by crappy parents. They are not more important than ANYONE in this country.

    We have our own problems that need to be resolved before we start helping anyone else in this world. As my folks once told me, "if you help those that are in need before you yourself are stable and able to help yourself then all that you are going to accomplish is dragging yourself down to their level of need instead of helping them to your level of not needing. Then instead of only one person needing help, two need help."
    I agree, everyone deserves food, healthcare, shelter, but people hate that idea for some reason. I also agree they aren't more important, but this country can do multiple things, you know what is inspiring this poverty in this country and around the world, for the most part? I don't need to give you a hint Good words, but I have to disagree, I will help those in need whenever I can, no matter my condition or wealth/etc..

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    So, absolutely anything not in the constitution needs an amendment? We will need thousands then.
    Yes. And yep. That is the way it was designed. To make sure that the change that is being wanted is actually needed.

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    Tyrannical in nature? That's clearly happening
    Yes, it is. The very fact that people are now required by law to buy from private companies or get fined shows that JUST by itself.
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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes. And yep. That is the way it was designed. To make sure that the change that is being wanted is actually needed.



    Yes, it is. The very fact that people are now required by law to buy from private companies or get fined shows that JUST by itself.
    I disagree with that sort of enforcement, but that is far from tyranny.
    The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. - I can see how well progress would be made this way

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I agree, everyone deserves food, healthcare, shelter, but people hate that idea for some reason. I also agree they aren't more important, but this country can do multiple things, you know what is inspiring this poverty in this country and around the world, for the most part? I don't need to give you a hint Good words, but I have to disagree, I will help those in need whenever I can, no matter my condition or wealth/etc..
    then you will also be dragged down to their level of need. Then were will you be? And do you have any right to bring other people down with you? Because by advocating for the government to do this you are doing exactly that. Yeah, in the short term these people might be helped. But in the long term they will be in just as much in need as they currently are. If not worse off.

    Lets put it this way. What happens to a company that puts itself out beyond what it can handle? It fails. It goes bankrupt. It gets closed down. And everyone that worked for that company is now drawing welfare instead of donating to their preferred charity.
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