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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    . The people of Central America seem to be more predisposed to Socialist concepts.
    A couple of ways to advance in many Latin American countries is as the head of a Socialist party, with all the usual promises and sympathy from international leftists, or in the unions.

    I think Obama may have a strategy that includes getting as many uneducated individuals into the US as quickly as possible.
    Or, as commonly called, unregistered Democrats'.

    Uneducated apeopleand uniformed people generally vote for the left.
    And the party faithful certainly recognize that, as do others. Mandatory Voting? I Have a Better Idea

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1 American dollar = 14 Pesos.

    $7.25 at 40hrs a week for 4 weeks = $986 after taxes when claiming 0 on W2 (which means the most taxes taken out at minimum wage possible). Which equals out to 13,804 Pesos. I'm pretty sure that a legal resident could pay for a train ticket after saving for a few months.

    And no, I would not be surprised in the slightest. You see, I live paycheck to paycheck myself. I'm not rich or even middle class.
    Yes, leaving out food expenses, life issues that could arise, rent, children already here, medical bills, etc, etc, etc, etc.... I work a little above minimum wage living with my parents, one parent who is on disability and unable to work, the other barely making enough to support us without myself working, so I know all about it. I guess it all depends on the circumstances.

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Why are you trying to bring him into this? You have to realize those regimes were despicable, but they had in no way applied communism, unless they had no state, no money.. Yes, mass murders happened, it's horrible, but trying to blame it on communism is preposterous. Communism is simply a socio-economic system which puts forth common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. You may be referring to methods used to attempt to apply this, which failed, I agree.
    They failed disastrously after tens of millions died and many more lives were ruined and, with the murderous record they have, why call yourself a Communist?

    Go start a commune if you enjoy the idea and everyone can participate voluntarily and see how long that will last. You've obviously never entered a communist country.

    I referred to the other poster because he inserted himself into the conversation.

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    What does the constitution have to do with this? There is a lot that isn't in the constitution, it's not meant to be strictly followed. We don't even know the price of this, how can we judge how much you will be "paying." There is a difference between reuniting children with their parents and taking a vacation....
    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    When did I say it wasn't an important document that had nothing to do with the government?
    There is a lot that isn't in the constitution, it's not meant to be strictly followed.
    I don't think the constitution addresses this issue at all.
    This shows your ignorance of how our government is supposed to work and how the Constitution is supposed to be followed. I'd suggest that you read Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. It shows the powers of the Federal government. Anything that is not in that section is beyond the scope of the federal government and is supposed to be left up to the states and The People.

    And yes, the Constitution is supposed to be strictly followed both in the Letter of the Law and in the Spirit of the Law. And if you don't know what that means I'd suggest that you look it up and learn a bit more than what your school is apparently teaching you. Because they're certainly doing a piss poor job of it.
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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They failed disastrously after tens of millions died and many more lives were ruined and, with the murderous record they have, why call yourself a Communist?

    Go start a commune if you enjoy the idea and everyone can participate voluntarily and see how long that will last. You've obviously never entered a communist country.

    I referred to the other poster because he inserted himself into the conversation.
    No I called you out for being a hypocrite and having no idea what you were talking about. Also, I think Dovkan is more of a Marxist than a communist but I'll let him respond for himself.

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They failed disastrously after tens of millions died and many more lives were ruined and, with the murderous record they have, why call yourself a Communist?

    Go start a commune if you enjoy the idea and everyone can participate voluntarily and see how long that will last. You've obviously never entered a communist country.

    I referred to the other poster because he inserted himself into the conversation.
    You seem to have ignored my post, and yes, "communist countries" which happen to have a state, which goes against communism at its core. Why call myself a communist? It fits with what I'd want, a lack of money, humanity working together, workers controlling production, the lack of a state...

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    No I called you out for being a hypocrite and having no idea what you were talking about. Also, I think Dovkan is more of a Marxist than a communist but I'll let him respond for himself.
    I am a communist, I'm used to the hate thrown against me by now.

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    No I called you out for being a hypocrite and having no idea what you were talking about. Also, I think Dovkan is more of a Marxist than a communist but I'll let him respond for himself.
    No? You didn't insert yourself into the conversation?

    It certainly doesn't matter to me if this guy calls himself a Marxist or a Communist.

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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, leaving out food expenses, life issues that could arise, rent, children already here, medical bills, etc, etc, etc, etc.... I work a little above minimum wage living with my parents, one parent who is on disability and unable to work, the other barely making enough to support us without myself working, so I know all about it. I guess it all depends on the circumstances.
    Which is why I added the part that you apparently missed....after saving for a few months.

    And by the by, I don't live with my parents. I have responsibility of 2 children and a wife. All without the benefits of Mom and Dad helping me out. And as a parent I can tell you straight up that I for one would NEVER have left my children behind in a 3rd world country. I would have stayed with them no matter what until I could figure out a way to get us all back together. Or I would die trying.
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    Re: Govít program would fly in Central American children to join parents in US

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This shows your ignorance of how our government is supposed to work and how the Constitution is supposed to be followed. I'd suggest that you read Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. It shows the powers of the Federal government. Anything that is not in that section is beyond the scope of the federal government and is supposed to be left up to the states and The People.

    And yes, the Constitution is supposed to be strictly followed both in the Letter of the Law and in the Spirit of the Law. And if you don't know what that means I'd suggest that you look it up and learn a bit more than what your school is apparently teaching you. Because they're certainly doing a piss poor job of it.
    Then many things go against the scope of the federal power defined in the constitution. I have read it. Anything not in the section? Again, go back to my first sentence. A piss poor job of it? Thanks for insulting my teachers. I fundamentally disagree, we do not need to strictly follow the constitution, but I guess we're separate on that.

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