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Scott Walker's budget cuts $5.7 million from runoff pollution remedies

So $5.7 million is 15% of the total spent per year? That means the state is going to spend $45,000,000 per year on government employees and academia claiming this will convince the people around Green Bay to use less fertilizer. What a waste of money.
 
still trying to whack away at Governor Walker i see

this is thread # 5 from this poster on him

he may just have a stalker
 
LOL what utter bull****. So you are seriously saying that Conservatives are protecting the rights of homophobic morons by denying equal rights to homosexuals and that is liberty?

:) I realize this is difficult for some Europeans to understand, but liberty means freedom even for people you don't like. ;)

like the guy who stood on an aircraft carrier saying Mission Accomplished?

Oh hey look - strawman and attempted diversion!!! Who's surprised? Were you surprised? I was surprised.

Based on a lie? So that an unarmed black man was shot by a police officer from a racist local government and police force... is not what started the whole thing?

No, the lie that "started this whole thing" was the notion that an innocent unarmed black man was shot while trying to surrender to a racist white cop.

That's why even the Black Caucus was out there making fools of themselves doing the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" idiocy.
 
still trying to whack away at Governor Walker i see

this is thread # 5 from this poster on him

he may just have a stalker

project much? I mean you're apparently counting the threads I make.
wow. holy bovine feces.
 
:) I realize this is difficult for some Europeans to understand, but liberty means freedom even for people you don't like. ;)

Actually we Europeans understand it very well.. it is you that seems to not understand what you are actually saying. By allowing discrimination against one minority, you are taking their "freedom and liberty" away to satisfy another groups urge to deny "freedom and liberty" others they dont like.

Oh hey look - strawman and attempted diversion!!! Who's surprised? Were you surprised? I was surprised.

What attempted diversion? You went after Obama for no reason, so I went after the guy before him who started the whole crap in the first place..

No, the lie that "started this whole thing" was the notion that an innocent unarmed black man was shot while trying to surrender to a racist white cop.

First off all, he was innocent, secondly he was unarmed and thirdly he was shot by a white cop in a mostly black town, where the police force, as we know now.. is racist as hell.

Secondly the fact that you and your fellow right wing jackboots continue to promote on lie over the very real racial issues in the town and police force and the death of an innocent unarmed black man.. is just shocking and frankly just pushes home the narrative that many people in the US and around the world have of the GOP... a white racist party that defends bigots and racists.

That's why even the Black Caucus was out there making fools of themselves doing the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" idiocy.

Again with the "hands up dont shoot" crap.. the Black Caucus and everyone else was not out demonstrating over this, but over the death of an unarmed black man in a city with known racist police that was being ignored by the powers at be for so long.
 
Actually we Europeans understand it very well.. it is you that seems to not understand what you are actually saying. By allowing discrimination against one minority, you are taking their "freedom and liberty" away to satisfy another groups urge to deny "freedom and liberty" others they dont like.

On the contrary - you do not have rights to other people's stuff, nor do you have a right not to be offended. Again, this is something folks from your side of the pond don't really integrate well.

What attempted diversion? You went after Obama for no reason, so I went after the guy before him who started the whole crap in the first place..

ah, no. You accused the GOP of leading a "war on Islam".

Which is A) stupid because there is no such effort, in fact, we have more Islamic allies in this fight than we have western ones and B) stupid because the guy actually leading the WoT is a Democrat. :)

First off all, he was innocent

Forensics say otherwise. Videotape says otherwise. It turned out that the witnesses who claimed he was, later admit that they lied.

Secondly the fact that you and your fellow right wing jackboots continue to promote on lie over the very real racial issues in the town and police force and the death of an innocent unarmed black man.. is just shocking

:shrug: I haven't seen any conservatives claim that there isn't racism in the police force. We have simply consistently pointed out that the actual Hands Up Don't Shoot nonsense was a lie, and that people are choosing to elevate a desired political narrative over the actual facts of the case.

Again with the "hands up dont shoot" crap.. the Black Caucus and everyone else was not out demonstrating over this

uh, explicitly they were, which is why they walked out to have the Hands Up Don't Shoot protest.
 
project much? I mean you're apparently counting the threads I make.
wow. holy bovine feces.

only against Gov Walker

you apparently have a thing against him

it's like you troll the left websites for his name or whatever.....

i dunno....you tell me.....why so many threads against one guy?
 
The concept of tolerance from our liberal friends continually amazes me

Friends, now I know your are up to something.
What do you need. lol
 
Democrats think that throwing tax money at a problem is "caring". Conversely, NOT throwing that tax money at the same problem is "hating". It doesn't even matter what the end results are. The truth of the matter is irrelevant, it's the GESTURE that counts.

Is it any wonder that you Democrats have pretty much been voted out of this state?
 
In denial much? Or just in a parallel universe to the rest of the planet?
I'm not the one who made up a whole bunch of stuff out of thin air
 
Democrats think that throwing tax money at a problem is "caring". Conversely, NOT throwing that tax money at the same problem is "hating". It doesn't even matter what the end results are. The truth of the matter is irrelevant, it's the GESTURE that counts.

Is it any wonder that you Democrats have pretty much been voted out of this state?
Especially when it's somebody else's money
 
Platforms stances on "liberty" (using social issues as started there and reading party platforms is a lot of skimming/getting bored of heavy wordiness)

Republican platform:
he lack of family formation not only leads to more government costs, but also to more government control over the lives of its citizens in all aspects. We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage.

Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families. We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department’s decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting.

We do not believe, however, that healthcare providers should be allowed to withhold services because the healthcare provider believes the patient’s life is not worth living.

We are committed to aggressively pursuing tort reform legislation to help avoid the practice of defensive medicine, to keep healthcare costs low, and improve healthcare quality.

https://gop.com/platform/

Democratic Platform:
At the core of the Democratic Party is the principle that no one should face discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability status.

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.

We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference.

The Democratic Party Platform | Democrats.org


Libertarians
Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make.

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

Platform | Libertarian Party


If you read through all of them (don't, at least the Republican/Democratic ones, they are so damn wordy it's painful), the liberty supported by either side is about the same. They support it on some issues, but not others. Libertarian party is about the only one that actually supports liberty

And yes, I realize the partisans on all sides are going to ignore it and continue saying "nu-uh, our side loves freedom more!"
 
And watch even more businesses leave the state, true.

BTW, how is that working out for Cali? Oh, yeah, businesses leaving by the loads and loosing about 500K a year in population. Way to go. Sure, we should all be following the example of the most bankrupt state in the Union.


There is little doubt that competition is a big deal at the state level. But this should also show that race to the bottom is also a problem if the choice boils down to either higher taxes or taking business In exchange for green lakes.

This is why I've started to believe that the federal government should be responsible for collecting the bulk of the taxes and the delivering the revenue to the states with an equation that is partly based on population. It is then a race to see who can spend those dollars more efficiently.
 
There is little doubt that competition is a big deal at the state level. But this should also show that race to the bottom is also a problem if the choice boils down to either higher taxes or taking business In exchange for green lakes.

This is why I've started to believe that the federal government should be responsible for collecting the bulk of the taxes and the delivering the revenue to the states with an equation that is partly based on population. It is then a race to see who can spend those dollars more efficiently.

First, I don't see street runoff being a big pollution problem. Water has run off the land since there was water and land. Second, environmental and economic needs must balance. Third, if they really need this, then simply cut the budget for Welfare and Adult Medicaid.

It's not a race to the bottom because only retarded greenie-weenie socialist think it is a problem, not normal intelligent people.
 
First, I don't see street runoff being a big pollution problem. Water has run off the land since there was water and land.

I'm sorry, but this is probably nearly is as ignorant as Rep. Stockman not understanding how sea level rise is caused by melting ice. Its not the water causing the problem, it's the modern chemicals that the water picks up that is causing the issue.


Second, environmental and economic needs must balance.
What is this "balance" that you speak of? What is the price associated to a dead lake? Plus, you present a false choice - who says environmental needs are NOT economic needs? Isn't this a perfect example of a race to the bottom? You seem to assert that a green lake is "balance". What about if the next state lowers their regulations or environmental funding? The first state has a green lake and nothing to show for it, while the state that just stole the business goes on it's way to creating it's own green lake

Third, if they really need this, then simply cut the budget for Welfare and Adult Medicaid.
This is not race to the bottom? Just because you have identified a program that you do not like, does that mean we're not eliminating programs for the sake of stealing business? What if we eliminate fire or police? Does that interest you?

It's not a race to the bottom because only retarded greenie-weenie socialist think it is a problem, not normal intelligent people.

Is this an argument of a "normal intelligent person"? Seems a little light on the intelligence to me.
 
I'm sorry, but this is probably nearly is as ignorant as Rep. Stockman not understanding how sea level rise is caused by melting ice. Its not the water causing the problem, it's the modern chemicals that the water picks up that is causing the issue.



What is this "balance" that you speak of? What is the price associated to a dead lake? Plus, you present a false choice - who says environmental needs are NOT economic needs? Isn't this a perfect example of a race to the bottom? You seem to assert that a green lake is "balance". What about if the next state lowers their regulations or environmental funding? The first state has a green lake and nothing to show for it, while the state that just stole the business goes on it's way to creating it's own green lake


This is not race to the bottom? Just because you have identified a program that you do not like, does that mean we're not eliminating programs for the sake of stealing business? What if we eliminate fire or police? Does that interest you?



Is this an argument of a "normal intelligent person"? Seems a little light on the intelligence to me.

Water running off the land and streets is causing Ice melt and rising sea levels? Man, you really have drank the kool-aid.
What new chemicals are being picked that haven't been there for 50+ years and the lakes are still fine? The only "dead lakes" that I know of in the US became that way because of invasive species brought in from elsewhere that have no natural enemies.

Taking away jobs for the sake of "green" initiatives is a race to the bottom. A natural competition exists between all species. Take away the jobs, how are people supposed to live?

The welfare state is a race to the bottom. Personally, cutting Fire wouldn't affect me. I live in places that only have volunteer fire departments, not government funded ones. As far as Police go, Policing is a primary function of any government. But, hey, if they were gone, we could always look at the plus, no one would arrest us for shooting greenie-weenies and socialist.
 
Water running off the land and streets is causing Ice melt and rising sea levels? Man, you really have drank the kool-aid.
Please show me where I used the word "causing".

What new chemicals are being picked that haven't been there for 50+ years and the lakes are still fine?
The only "dead lakes" that I know of in the US became that way because of invasive species brought in from elsewhere that have no natural enemies.
Then consider yourself re-informed:
Let me google that for you

Taking away jobs for the sake of "green" initiatives is a race to the bottom. A natural competition exists between all species. Take away the jobs, how are people supposed to live?
This is a false choice. Environmental work requires labor just like anything else. Again, I'm not sure you grasp the concept of a race for the bottom, or even labor needs in general. If a business has more regulation and more taxes, it moves to another state to employ FEWER people with higher profits.

The welfare state is a race to the bottom. Personally, cutting Fire wouldn't affect me. I live in places that only have volunteer fire departments, not government funded ones. As far as Police go, Policing is a primary function of any government. But, hey, if they were gone, we could always look at the plus, no one would arrest us for shooting greenie-weenies and socialist.
Do you still live in a town with bucket brigades? Do you have no station, no trucks? Is this another declaration of your superior intelligence?
 
Good for walker, liking this guy more and more
 
From the link:

"Officials with the state Department of Natural Resources say attention to runoff pollution will not diminish and other funding sources could be tapped."

So it looks like the state is going to accomplish the same goal with less money. Kudos to Scott Walker


If this statement is from officials that serve at the pleasure of Walker, it should be viewed with some skepticism because one would expect someone in that position to say that the governor is doing the right thing. It would have been more comforting if the official had said that we requested this cut because we didn't need it to accomplish our goals.
 
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