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    Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    The framework nuclear agreement announced Thursday between world powers and Iran sets the stage for Congress and foreign nations to try to change — or kill — a final deal.
    Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    There are two opinions on US-Iran talks. You can either love Iran and ignore Israel's cries or you can hate Iran and adore the state of Israel. The truth is in real politics we have to forget about emotions and rely on pure rationalism. What happened is already happened and nobody will remember 52 American hostages held in Tehran for 444 days, neither will they recall USS Liberty. Future is important, not the past. And the logic tells us we cannot control Iran's actions with sanctions and nuclear checks. What we can do though is to trade with Iran and promote democracy through mild sources of influence. It doesn't mean Israel will be forgotten, they are our primary allies after all. It is not the end of Israel, don't listen to Bibi who is playing with your emotions once again.

    America and Iran are both satisfied with results or at least should be.


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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    This is more than just the USA and Iran as The President has made clear. I don't see much positive from Iran's neighbors and I don't think the Saudis "adore" Israel.

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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
    Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    There are two opinions on US-Iran talks. You can either love Iran and ignore Israel's cries or you can hate Iran and adore the state of Israel. The truth is in real politics we have to forget about emotions and rely on pure rationalism. What happened is already happened and nobody will remember 52 American hostages held in Tehran for 444 days, neither will they recall USS Liberty. Future is important, not the past. And the logic tells us we cannot control Iran's actions with sanctions and nuclear checks. What we can do though is to trade with Iran and promote democracy through mild sources of influence. It doesn't mean Israel will be forgotten, they are our primary allies after all. It is not the end of Israel, don't listen to Bibi who is playing with your emotions once again.

    America and Iran are both satisfied with results or at least should be.

    I agree that it is impossible to get certainty on their adherence to any treaty and that we should want to see them a positive and dynamic participant in international affairs. But we can make sure that inspection reduce the probability of their building a bomb to nearly zero and must. They are sorrily responsible for third party attacks on US and allied asset and people on a continuous basis. That is not very acceptable. I am just not sure, how to make it stop, as it certainly requires correction.

    And there lies the major "face loss" or reason the Iranians can speak of having won. They can under the contract continue low level war on the US, but get the international sanctions lifted.
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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I agree that it is impossible to get certainty on their adherence to any treaty and that we should want to see them a positive and dynamic participant in international affairs. But we can make sure that inspection reduce the probability of their building a bomb to nearly zero and must. They are sorrily responsible for third party attacks on US and allied asset and people on a continuous basis. That is not very acceptable. I am just not sure, how to make it stop, as it certainly requires correction.
    How does inspection of their "declared facilities" reduce the probability to near zero? That has me stumped.

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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    How does inspection of their "declared facilities" reduce the probability to near zero? That has me stumped.
    According the the framework, Iran must disclose both declared and undeclared facilities.

    To assist in verification and expose diversion, the IAEA is empowered to monitor the chain of custody from uranium mine to processing facilities to end disposition.

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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    That one dude has a sword in case Lurch gets out of line.
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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    According the the framework, Iran must disclose both declared and undeclared facilities.

    To assist in verification and expose diversion, the IAEA is empowered to monitor the chain of custody from uranium mine to processing facilities to end disposition.
    In the past, under international sanctions, Iran has told those same IAEA inspectors to GO POUND SAND.
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    Re: Iran nuclear agreement faces tough road ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    In the past, under international sanctions, Iran has told those same IAEA inspectors to GO POUND SAND.
    That's true, but Iran doesn't want to get Iraqed. Obama has repeatedly said that any deal agreed upon will have as its basis a prohibition on Iranian weapons development, and an intrusive, historically rigorous monitoring program. If that can't be agreed to, or if Iran fails to meet its obligations, he said the military option remains, and plans for eliminating Iran's weapons capability militarily have already been drawn up, for that eventuality. What's the worry?
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