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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No need to get ahead of ourselves. Let's just work on the first one, then we can deal with the second.
    But the second is where the fun really begins.

    So how does putting myself in the shoes of an unpopular minority change the fact that you don't have the right to someone else's trade?

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But the second is where the fun really begins.
    I agree, but one must first learn to walk before he can dance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So how does putting myself in the shoes of an unpopular minority change the fact that you don't have the right to someone else's trade?
    Try it and find out.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I agree, but one must first learn to walk before he can dance.



    Try it and find out.
    I imagine they might get the feeling that they are owed something from others, but they're wrong. Just because you might be having a hard time doesn't mean you're owed anything.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I imagine they might get the feeling that they are owed something from others, but they're wrong. Just because you might be having a hard time doesn't mean you're owed anything.
    This is why I don't try with you.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This is why I don't try with you.
    Because you know that I'm right.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh, I'm pretty confident about that. If the writer had known that no business...ever...had discriminated against an lgbt on religious principle, he would have just written that. Instead he had to sneakily hone it down to "major" retailers, restaurants and hotels, probably because he couldn't find any instances of those on google.



    And yet you have this statement by one of the legislator's pushing the original Indiana bill:



    Pence signs bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com

    This was clearly a freedom people wanted and which Miller was happy to give them. And as the youtube video demonstrates there will be people who will absolutely take advantage of that freedom because they've already done it.
    The fundamental understanding that I have is that the legislation doesn't address discrimination against anyone, but rather reenforces the already constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion, and that similar laws are already on in place in a large number of states as well as at the federal level.

    How this gets twisted inside and out into support for discrimination is an oddity to me, but the fact that LGBT bully mafia want's to take other's freedoms away doesn't surprise me very much.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really? So how exactly does anti-discrimination laws support human rights?
    Because people in our society have the right to be walk into any establishment and be served just like anyone else. They protect civil rights.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because people in our society have the right to be walk into any establishment and be served just like anyone else. They protect civil rights.
    So these civil rights you speak of entitle people to be served by other people. Do you think that is how rights work?

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So these civil rights you speak of entitle people to be served by other people. Do you think that is how rights work?
    You obviously don't understand the law. If you open a business to serve people, you cannot turn someone away because you think they are "icky". That is what civil rights are about. You might want to study it sometime.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously don't understand the law. If you open a business to serve people, you cannot turn someone away because you think they are "icky". That is what civil rights are about. You might want to study it sometime.
    Yes, that is what the law says. What I'm trying to do is make you think of how the law runs counter to human rights. Maybe you could expand your thinking beyond sheepish nonsense.

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