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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    matches the federal religious freedom act, but applies to the state. Now it doesn't allow private companies to discriminate and then claim religion as a reason for it when they're sued.

    Personally, I think all these laws should be overturned, but at least now indiana is no worse than the fed'l govt
    Why even bother doing that?

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What does the law actually do now?
    Are you disappointed now that it can't be used to discriminate against gays?

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Well what's interesting to me about it is the religious right is crying that this neuters their discriminatory law, while dems are crying that it doesn't go far enough...

    I think the latter refers to the fact there still isn't a civil rights law for lgbt in most of indiana. What "rfra" aimed to do was remove the protections in the 12 cities, because even that was too much for the religious right
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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it was never a permit to discriminate... not ever.

    y'all were told that from the beginning.. and then Pence and the Indiana legislature had to go back and spell it out for the mental midgets.

    congratulations, the only thing of substance you accomplished was making a pizza parlor family richer... well done.
    Riiiiiiiiight. If you believe that....then explain why Pence refused to answer the point blank question. There is no doubt that the law was intended to allow private businesses to deny services to gays. All you have to do is look at he timing and the people behind it. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is a fool or a liar.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Riiiiiiiiight. If you believe that....then explain why Pence refused to answer the point blank question. There is no doubt that the law was intended to allow private businesses to deny services to gays. All you have to do is look at he timing and the people behind it. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is a fool or a liar.
    Don't know why he's complaining anyway, since he is giddy at any such discrimination

    This is politicians trying to save face and claim some kind of justification for their position even existing, after they passed a law that nearly (and still might) wrecked havoc on the state's economy

    If they wanted to "clarify" that it doesn't allow discrimination, they could have easily done so from the start
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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Riiiiiiiiight. If you believe that....then explain why Pence refused to answer the point blank question. There is no doubt that the law was intended to allow private businesses to deny services to gays. All you have to do is look at he timing and the people behind it. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is a fool or a liar.
    if it was intended to allow discrimination, they wouldn't have added a clarification that resulted in the exact opposite of it's intent.

    from day 1, they were saying it was not a permit to discriminate... now we know they were telling the truth.
    you admitting as much in inconsequential to the fact.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Don't know why he's complaining anyway, since he is giddy at any such discrimination

    This is politicians trying to save face and claim some kind of justification for their position even existing, after they passed a law that nearly (and still might) wrecked havoc on the state's economy

    If they wanted to "clarify" that it doesn't allow discrimination, they could have easily done so from the start
    don't lie about me again.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you disappointed now that it can't be used to discriminate against gays?
    Because I oppose anti-discrimination laws and support human rights.

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if it was intended to allow discrimination, they wouldn't have added a clarification that resulted in the exact opposite of it's intent.

    from day 1, they were saying it was not a permit to discriminate... now we know they were telling the truth.
    you admitting as much in inconsequential to the fact.
    Um, if it wasn't a permit to discriminate, they wouldn't have to amend it, would they?

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    Re: indiana caves on "RFRA", michigan governor says he would veto any "RFRA"

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well what's interesting to me about it is the religious right is crying that this neuters their discriminatory law, while dems are crying that it doesn't go far enough...

    I think the latter refers to the fact there still isn't a civil rights law for lgbt in most of indiana. What "rfra" aimed to do was remove the protections in the 12 cities, because even that was too much for the religious right
    to be fair, those reactions are coming from associations whom exist to advocate for a specific agenda... of course none of them will be happy.... no one is ever happy unless they get their way 100% anymore.

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