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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by ggwilder View Post
    We find ourselves on the precipice not because of a looming, lousy nuke deal with Iran, not even because of the oxymoronic nature of the very concept, but because of ourselves. Because Obama is a sufficient cause of the existential threat facing us today, we cannot remove the threat without first removing Obama....
    If you're afraid of nuclear war then you're barking up the wrong tree because it's Israel that wants a war with Iran at US expense, not Obama.

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That too was a good article from the Guardian. Unfortunatley, it undermines the claim that SA can buy nukes "off the shelf" from Pakistan and reduces it to Israeli propaganda. From the BBC report quoted in the Gaurdian...


    The "Nato decision-maker" bit looks interesting but is somewhat undermined a bit later in the TV version by the revelation that the intelligence is thought to have originated in Israel.

    The trouble is lots of intelligence reports originate in Israel and some are probably true, but the timing of this one, while talks on the Iranian nuclear programme are underway, is fairly convenient.....

    Mark Fitzpatrick,...non-proliferation expert at the state department and now at the International Institute for Strategic Studies had this to say....The second part is probably false: I doubt that Pakistan is ready to send nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia. Pakistan's reputation suffered greatly the last time they assisted other countries with nuclear weapons technology (i.e., the sales by A.Q. Khan, with some governmental support or at least acquiescence, to North Korea, Iran and Libya)....

    David Albright, the head of the Institute for Science and International Security, broadly agrees..... Would Pakistan give them [nuclear weapons]? There would be real punishments for that and they would want to avoid those. For Saudi Arabia to take possession it would mean withdrawing from the NPT [nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty]. Any US military sales would have to stop. That could not be ignored. Only in a very dire situation in which Iran has a nuclear weapon and is being confrontational, could you imagine something like this. ...."



    I seriously doubt the Saudi's would or could get nukes off the shelf.



    Here's another article about the Saudi's endorsing the Iran deal....


    ...Saudi Arabia released a cautious statement Monday endorsing the nuclear “framework” agreement reached last week between Iran and six world powers.

    “The council of ministers,” a top governing body within the Saudi system, “expressed hope for attaining a binding and definitive agreement that would lead to the strengthening of security and stability in the region and the world,” read the statement, first published by the Saudi state news agency..."

    Saudi Arabia cautiously endorses Iran deal - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO
    thanks for the link.
    From what I've read SA can call in their chit with PAkistan if/when Iran does get nukes -that link is already 2 years old.
    Since then Iran has expanded in Iraq, and SA is fighting their proxies (or sort of proxies) in Yemen.

    So that aren't really concerned about Iranian nukes at the moment. But the nukes are there for them in Pakistan
    It's going to interesting to see just how much Pakistan answers the call by SA for Yemen too.
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    thanks for the link.
    From what I've read SA can call in their chit with PAkistan if/when Iran does get nukes -that link is already 2 years old.
    Since then Iran has expanded in Iraq, and SA is fighting their proxies (or sort of proxies) in Yemen.

    So that aren't really concerned about Iranian nukes at the moment. But the nukes are there for them in Pakistan
    It's going to interesting to see just how much Pakistan answers the call by SA for Yemen too.
    Apparently, you don't read what you post because it was your source, the Guardian that said it was highly unlikely that Pakistan had "off the shelf" nukes for SA to buy and was probably just Israeli propaganda.

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Apparently, you don't read what you post because it was your source, the Guardian that said it was highly unlikely that Pakistan had "off the shelf" nukes for SA to buy and was probably just Israeli propaganda.
    I used off the "shelf in quotes", that is the predominate view -that SA ( since it paid for Paki's nukes) can get them anytime it wants.
    Just order them up like a pizza.

    It's not that simple -why I posted the Guardian, but it's not wrong either.. Yes; I doubt they are actually "packed and ready to go"
    despite the BBC report - but we really don't know one way or the other. It's not important as long as Paki will supply them.
    The question is how.

    This is the "chit" I was talking about:
    Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan - BBC News
    Talking to many serving and former officials about this over the past few months, the only real debate I have found is about how exactly the Saudi Arabians would redeem the bargain with Pakistan.
    Some think it is a cash-and-carry deal for warheads, the first of those options sketched out by the Saudis back in 2003; others that it is the second, an arrangement under which Pakistani nuclear forces could be deployed in the kingdom.

    Others I have spoken to think this is not credible, since Saudi Arabia, which regards itself as the leader of the broader Sunni Islamic 'ummah' or community, would want complete control of its nuclear deterrent, particularly at this time of worsening sectarian confrontation with Shia Iran
    so there are various scenarios.
    The question is, will Paki cooperate (in what ever fashion) and give nukes to SA (by whatever scenario).

    I think -considering their long history of defense cooperation they will, the only question is "how"

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    The only way to deal with Iran is to send Kerry to Iran with a sealed note and a bomb on his plane. Tell the islomites that they can shut down their nuclear weapons making projects or they can eat the bomb.

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