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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I wouldn't say directing negotiations like a conductor commands an orchestra. As negotiations enter each different phase, there is probably a home-consultation regarding a minimalist position, but everything above this bottom-line position is available to the negotiator. This sort of latitude methodology is probably true for Kerry also.
    Possibly so, but you and I don't know with any certainty. Could be far less wiggle room for the negotiators on all sides. At any rate, if the Ayatollah' aren't micro managing essentially everything relating to Iranian FP, I'd be surprised. But if they aren't, that's good for Iranians, the region and the world.
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    I consider this the key element of your link. The voices of opposition are intentional for foreign audiences, lending legitimacy to the notion that Iran made reasonable concessions, even to their own disadvantage. Helps rebut those critics like Bolton, McCain and Netanyahu which prefer a military response to Iran's nuclear program.

    Some predicted that hard-liners, who mostly kept quiet during the negotiations, would now mobilize for a fight. But business leaders, in particular, were elated at the prospect that a deal could soon mean the lifting of long years of economic sanctions.
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I consider this the key element of your link. The voices of opposition are intentional for foreign audiences, lending legitimacy to the notion that Iran made reasonable concessions, even to their own disadvantage. Helps rebut those critics like Bolton, McCain and Netanyahu which prefer a military response to Iran's nuclear program.

    Some predicted that hard-liners, who mostly kept quiet during the negotiations, would now mobilize for a fight. But business leaders, in particular, were elated at the prospect that a deal could soon mean the lifting of long years of economic sanctions.
    People forget that the U.S. and Iran were once good trading partners before the 1979 hostage crisis.
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

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    It's a good milestone. If Iran is key to peace in the ME then it's stupid not to talk to them. And now, a lot of skeptics and critics are surprised at how good the deal really is.....the Saudi king, for one....

    '...Saudi Arabia’s King Salman staked out less confrontational ground, telling President Obama that he hoped it would strengthen “stability and security” in the region.

    The remarks by Salman suggested no major policy shifts by Saudi Arabia or its Persian Gulf Arab partners after the announcement Thursday of a framework that would place limits on Iran’s nuclear program — but allow some level of uranium enrichment — in exchange for easing international sanctions...."

    Iran nuclear pact stirs hope


    It was just last week the Saudi's were threatening a nuclear arms race if the Iran deal was agreed on.....today...meh, not so much.
    nice link.
    Further on it talks about "unease" by Salman and the Gulf and the "wider" ME.

    I'm thinking no one really want to go on record now as opposition - except Bibi.
    SA has their hands full with Yemen, and is get US logistical help so it's not a good time to rock relations with US..
    We'll see, but recall please SA paid for Pakistan's program so it could buy nukes 'off the shelf' when needed.

    Does Pakistan have nuclear weapons ready to ship to Saudi Arabia? | World news | The Guardian
    It is not a new story, of course, but Urban came up with some new data points: a Saudi belief that it could obtain nuclear weapons from Pakistan at any time, and reported intelligence that Pakistan has prepared nuclear weapons for delivery to Saudi Arabia. The first part is probably true: The Saudis helped to finance Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme and believe that they were given a promise that the weapons would be used to defend the Saudi kingdom if need be.
    Would Pakistan give them [nuclear weapons]? There would be real punishments for that and they would want to avoid those. For Saudi Arabia to take possession it would mean withdrawing from the NPT [nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty]. Any US military sales would have to stop. That could not be ignored. Only in a very dire situation in which Iran has a nuclear weapon and is being confrontational, could you imagine something like this
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But business leaders, in particular, were elated at the prospect that a deal could soon mean the lifting of long years of economic sanctions.
    That's a natural. The internal problems begin with governmental entities like the Majiis, the IRGC (who has a vested financial interest in Iran's nuclear program), the MOIS, Quds Force, etc.


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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Just an FYI, here's a NYTimes.com article that provides a good overview of the Iran nuclear enrichment deal (with graphics).

    Israel Suggests Ways to Make Iran Nuclear Deal ‘More Reasonable’
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    We find ourselves on the precipice not because of a looming, lousy nuke deal with Iran, not even because of the oxymoronic nature of the very concept, but because of ourselves. Because Obama is a sufficient cause of the existential threat facing us today, we cannot remove the threat without first removing Obama....

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    That's a natural. The internal problems begin with governmental entities like the Majiis, the IRGC (who has a vested financial interest in Iran's nuclear program), the MOIS, Quds Force, etc.
    Iran was heading in a fine direction prior to 1953!
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

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    Iran was heading in a fine direction prior to 1953!
    Mosaddegh is dead. Shah Pahlavi is dead. Khomeini is dead. We're up to Ali Khamenei now.


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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    nice link.
    Further on it talks about "unease" by Salman and the Gulf and the "wider" ME.

    I'm thinking no one really want to go on record now as opposition - except Bibi.
    SA has their hands full with Yemen, and is get US logistical help so it's not a good time to rock relations with US..
    We'll see, but recall please SA paid for Pakistan's program so it could buy nukes 'off the shelf' when needed.

    Does Pakistan have nuclear weapons ready to ship to Saudi Arabia? | World news | The Guardian

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    That too was a good article from the Guardian. Unfortunatley, it undermines the claim that SA can buy nukes "off the shelf" from Pakistan and reduces it to Israeli propaganda. From the BBC report quoted in the Gaurdian...


    The "Nato decision-maker" bit looks interesting but is somewhat undermined a bit later in the TV version by the revelation that the intelligence is thought to have originated in Israel.

    The trouble is lots of intelligence reports originate in Israel and some are probably true, but the timing of this one, while talks on the Iranian nuclear programme are underway, is fairly convenient.....

    Mark Fitzpatrick,...non-proliferation expert at the state department and now at the International Institute for Strategic Studies had this to say....The second part is probably false: I doubt that Pakistan is ready to send nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia. Pakistan's reputation suffered greatly the last time they assisted other countries with nuclear weapons technology (i.e., the sales by A.Q. Khan, with some governmental support or at least acquiescence, to North Korea, Iran and Libya)....

    David Albright, the head of the Institute for Science and International Security, broadly agrees..... Would Pakistan give them [nuclear weapons]? There would be real punishments for that and they would want to avoid those. For Saudi Arabia to take possession it would mean withdrawing from the NPT [nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty]. Any US military sales would have to stop. That could not be ignored. Only in a very dire situation in which Iran has a nuclear weapon and is being confrontational, could you imagine something like this. ...."



    I seriously doubt the Saudi's would or could get nukes off the shelf.



    Here's another article about the Saudi's endorsing the Iran deal....


    ...Saudi Arabia released a cautious statement Monday endorsing the nuclear “framework” agreement reached last week between Iran and six world powers.

    “The council of ministers,” a top governing body within the Saudi system, “expressed hope for attaining a binding and definitive agreement that would lead to the strengthening of security and stability in the region and the world,” read the statement, first published by the Saudi state news agency..."

    Saudi Arabia cautiously endorses Iran deal - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO
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