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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Are you telling us that *everyone* in the regime is aware of all negotiation nuances? Are you telling us that there are no regime hard-liners who oppose any concessions? Are you telling us that there are no hard-liners who prefer enduring the sanctions if the end result is an Iranian nuclear weapon? Are you telling us that the Iranian political spectrum is a unitary monolith?

    The regime hard-liners will have to be convinced to accept whatever Khamenei decides upon ... either by reason or by fiat.
    Of course not. Not everyone in government is on board with all the actions that any nation takes. But sense we're both going by our guts, or basic common sense as you stated, who ever counts or has the final say in Iran is directing the negotiations.
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But sense we're both going by our guts, or basic common sense as you stated, who ever counts or has the final say in Iran is directing the negotiations.
    I wouldn't say directing negotiations like a conductor commands an orchestra. As negotiations enter each different phase, there is probably a home-consultation regarding a minimalist position, but everything above this bottom-line position is available to the negotiator. This sort of latitude methodology is probably true for Kerry also.

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    It's a good milestone. If Iran is key to peace in the ME then it's stupid not to talk to them. And now, a lot of skeptics and critics are surprised at how good the deal really is.....the Saudi king, for one....

    '...Saudi Arabia’s King Salman staked out less confrontational ground, telling President Obama that he hoped it would strengthen “stability and security” in the region.

    The remarks by Salman suggested no major policy shifts by Saudi Arabia or its Persian Gulf Arab partners after the announcement Thursday of a framework that would place limits on Iran’s nuclear program — but allow some level of uranium enrichment — in exchange for easing international sanctions...."

    Iran nuclear pact stirs hope


    It was just last week the Saudi's were threatening a nuclear arms race if the Iran deal was agreed on.....today...meh, not so much.

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There is no doubt that there are still some major points to fix. And you are absolutely right that the 1 year breakout clause is disturbing, as a future President would have to act within a time frame that would make unilateral war almost inevitable, should Iran decide to go off course at some later date. This problem could easily be exacerbated by the sweeteners of automatic kick-in of sanctions. Russia and Germany would invariably argue to wait and see, how the sanctions worked giving Iran the time it needed. There are other things as well.

    But I must admit that I am surprised at the quality of the deal framework, as it is shaping up. And, though, I would want points like the above worked on, I at present think the thing could be much better than I had expected. I am still thinking about it.

    But the main thing is whether the Persians really mean it.
    Good grief, of course they don't mean it. They are still chanting "death to America", and have stated the destruction of Israel is non-negotiable. How ****ing gullible can some people be? You gotta be Shiite'n me.

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Good grief, of course they don't mean it. They are still chanting "death to America", and have stated the destruction of Israel is non-negotiable. How ****ing gullible can some people be? You gotta be Shiite'n me.
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Why are GOP hardliners believing anything the Iranians have said?
    Except of course when these Iranian hardliners are disagreeing with the President/Secretary of State !

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Not to mention "unafraid", as told to us by Bret Baier.
    Though I trust him more than anybody on FOX.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You speak as though the "hard liners" were out of the loop in the negotiations.
    I appreciate your acknowledgement in the robust nature of the framework. FOX was incapable of the same, despite their "fair and balanced" nature.
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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Anyone willing to put money that the only thing agreed to by June 30th is to keep working till September 30th?

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    Re: Text of agreement with Iran on its nuclear program

    Looking at the framework for this deal, I'd say the G6 got much of what they wanted while Iran got to keep a small fraction of their nuclear enrichment program intact.

    I know the pundits wanted a total dismantling of Iran's nuclear program but that was unreasonable. You'd never get a sovereign nation to agree to that. But what you could do was force them to prove that their nuclear ambitions were peaceful. If they are, Iran should have no problem downgrading their production/enrichment capabilities and limit such to R&D and nuclear energy only.

    I noticed as Bibi Netanyahu made the Sunday talk show circuit, not only did he back down on his demand that Iran declare Israel's right to exist, he also downplayed his demand for total dismantling. However, his hyperbole is still in full bore, such as....

    ....keeping the infrastructure to produce not one nuclear bomb but many, many nuclear bombs down the line...
    While I'm sure Iran could produce a bomb or two from the 3.76% enriched uranium they're allowed to produce, let's keep in mind this is low-grade enriched uranium. Therefore, any bomb they do manage to produce would be a rather crude weapon at best.

    There's lots to like from this deal. But the critics like Sen. Lindsay Graham will continue to put down the President's efforts to find a peaceful, diplomatic solution to this problem whether the framework for this Iran nuke deal went more to Bibi's favor or not.
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