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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Is this agreement going to significantly reduce the chance that they'll build a bomb anyway? Or is this just unneeded window dressing that the Iranians wanted to give away anyway?
    The Iranians gave up far more in the framework agreement than I ever envisioned. If some things are tweaked a bit and some other things defined a bit better, then this *could be* a very robust deal. But firstly, it must all be precisely spelled out in a universal document and signed by the Iranians. Secondly, no agreement will work unless the IAEA has access to all Iranian documents/data/facilities/materials. This includes all PMDs (Possible Military Dimensions).

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ahhhh back to supposedly being in favor of diplomacy makes you a "fascist regime" supporter... This ignorant straw man talking point your known to throw around?


    It's not a strawman, nor is it ignorant. it's an oppressive intolerant regime, you are in favor of benefiting them despite thier oppressive theocratic fascism. It's a country that's been hostile, built ied's that killed americans, and has pan-islamic caliphate aspirations.

    Just like the arab spring, we are helping bad guys get what they want.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's not a strawman, nor is it ignorant. it's an oppressive intolerant regime, you are in favor of benefiting them despite thier oppressive theocratic fascism. It's a country that's been hostile, built ied's that killed americans, and has pan-islamic caliphate aspirations.

    Just like the arab spring, we are helping bad guys get what they want.
    America is the worlds largest arms dealer and as such is responsible for the deaths of vastly more humans than Iran.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The Iranians gave up far more in the framework agreement than I ever envisioned. If some things are tweaked a bit and some other things defined a bit better, then this *could be* a very robust deal. But firstly, it must all be precisely spelled out in a universal document and signed by the Iranians. Secondly, no agreement will work unless the IAEA has access to all Iranian documents/data/facilities/materials. This includes all PMDs (Possible Military Dimensions).
    Seemingly you have a greater command of the situation than I.

    I observe the following:

    Expert Says Iran Deal Must Guarantee Snap Inspections of Nuclear Sites | CNS News
    On an Iran deal, reports of concessions galore - The Washington Post
    AP Exclusive: Iran may run centrifuges at fortified site - The Washington Post

    This last one seems a concession which would allow Iran to continue it's nuclear program.

    And in the end,
    Deal or No, Iran Will Remain a Nuclear Threat - Dennis Ross - POLITICO Magazine

    And I'd have to agree. My conclusion is that regardless of this Iran & P+5 agreement, seems inevitable that the unstable Middle East will be in a nuclear arms race, and that unstable ideologies and people will have their fingers on the buttons.
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Just like the arab spring, we are helping bad guys get what they want.
    It is currently impossible to put Iran's nuclear genie back in the bottle. There are three viable options.

    (1) Do not interfere. (2) Retard progress via diplomatic means. (3) Retard progress via military means.

    No matter which option is utilized, the genie does not forever vanish.

    The sensible choice then, is to pursue the least onerous option which is what the P5+1 is attempting to accomplish at Lusanne.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Seemingly you have a greater command of the situation than I.
    I've been a hawk on this issue for quite a long time.

    If I truly thought (at this juncture) that we are getting screwed, I would be screaming louder than anyone.

    So far, I personally feel that the framework agreement has positive potential and I am not averse to negotiations continuing until 30 June.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    America is the worlds largest arms dealer and as such is responsible for the deaths of vastly more humans than Iran.


    Then move to Iran.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It is currently impossible to put Iran's nuclear genie back in the bottle. There are three viable options.

    (1) Do not interfere. (2) Retard progress via diplomatic means. (3) Retard progress via military means.

    No matter which option is utilized, the genie does not forever vanish.

    The sensible choice then, is to pursue the least onerous option which is what the P5+1 is attempting to accomplish at Lusanne.


    I'm down with destroying thier nuke **** until they have free and fair elections, stop it's interventionist meddling.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Then move to Iran.
    That's the answer to the contradiction in USFP?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    /facepalm


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    Obama has done nothing good at all.
    Except for the stock market, the economy, the unemployment rate, the national deficit, our respect around the world, and many other things that I'm sure I'll think of after I write this post? Totally! Oh, and your buddy W. Bush, whom you probably voted for in 2004? He hurt every one of these things, every single one. So you can speak your lies to the hand, because the face doesn't want to hear them. And quit watching Fox "News." It's literally bad for your intelligence and judgment.

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    Indeed. Warmongers think that good diplomacy is weakness.
    Warmongering IS weakness. It reduces morality and problem solving to might-makes-right.
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