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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Nope. I think that there are circumstances in which war is necessary.


    like when Obama does it. noted.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Hardliners in both Iran and the United States will not be happy. Civilized people will be happy.

    Obama has proven yet again that good diplomacy works. Just think about what this man has done now: In less than one year, he has helped to thaw relations with two nations with whom we have had next to zero diplomatic ties for decades. Compare this progress with that of his predecessor!
    He hasn't done anything any treaty has to be ratified by the congress. he can't agree to anything without congressional approval.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Prevents them? Nah, at best slows it, and that's only if they decide to all the sudden start being open and honest.

    Man, libs are gullible.
    Obama can't prevent Iran from acquiring nukes forever. He's president for less than two years remaining. This effort will require diligence. The next administration will need to continue the effort.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obama can't prevent Iran from acquiring nukes forever. He's president for less than two years remaining. This effort will require diligence. The next administration will need to continue the effort.


    Already setting it up for "not obama's fault". lol
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Already setting it up for "not obama's fault". lol
    Not at all. The framework for a deal that prevents Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons power is very much Obama's fault. It will require diligence on the parts of subsequent administrations however.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not at all. The framework for a deal that prevents Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons power is very much Obama's fault. It will require diligence on the parts of subsequent administrations however.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yeah, centrifuges that are six times more efficient than the old ones.
    Not according to the framework (JCPOA) agreement. Iran can only operate IR-1 centrifuges. These are their original models made from the blueprints of a dated Urenco European model stolen by A.Q Khan and sold to the Iranians. Their more advanced centrifuges will be mothballed and secured by the IAEA.

    6,104 IR-1 centrifuge units will be barely enough to feed the generating reactor at Natanz and provide a bit extra LEU for research, medicine, industry, etc.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Iran has about 20,000 centrifuges, they have agreed to cut that number to less than 6000. That is a 70 percent reduction and is rather significant. Iran has agreed to modify the Arak nuclear reactor such that it can produce an limited amount of fuel only. That is significant. They have agreed to reduce their stockpile of nuclear material, that is significant.
    OK.

    Is this agreement going to significantly reduce the chance that they'll build a bomb anyway? Or is this just unneeded window dressing that the Iranians wanted to give away anyway?

    The goal here isn't to just get an agreement, the goal needs to be to prevent Iran from being able to build a bomb, period, or at least for a very, very long time.

    The last thing that the Middle East needs, as unstable as it is right now and will be for the foreseeable future, is a nuclear arms race, with religious leaders with extremists ideologies with their fingers on the buttons.

    So is this agreement going to achieve those goals? At best the answer comes back as 'we'll see', and nothing more solid than that. So really, even with the agreement in place and faithfully executed by all parties, the Middle Eat, and the rest of the world, isn't nearly out of the woods yet.

    In fact, things have gotten worse, from the stand point that a known financial and material supporter of Islamic Militant Fundamentalist has stepped into the vacuum in the region left by Obama's shrinking away and withdrawing from that very region.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Not according to the framework (JCPOA) agreement. Iran can only operate IR-1 centrifuges. These are their original models made from the blueprints of a dated Urenco European model stolen by A.Q Khan and sold to the Iranians. Their more advanced centrifuges will be mothballed and secured by the IAEA.

    6,104 IR-1 centrifuge units will be barely enough to feed the generating reactor at Natanz and provide a bit extra LEU for research, medicine, industry, etc.
    Which is what Iran has maintained they've wanted all along and the cause for Iranian celebrations in the streets.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Left wingers already cheering victories for fascist regimes. no 3....2...1... needed.
    Ahhhh back to supposedly being in favor of diplomacy makes you a "fascist regime" supporter... This ignorant straw man talking point your known to throw around?


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