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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I'm a pacifist, bro.
    I'm not.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    There isn't any agreement. The Iranians disavowed it within hours of it's announcement by claiming that the US was lying about it.
    Seems to be a recurring problem with Obama and his administration, this lying thing.
    That, and his conveniently not knowing anything about anything until after it hits the papers.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    That means nothing. Iran is still insisting on immediate sanctions relief and continued use of centrifuges. Unless the US completely caves and goes back on everything they have said there will be no final agreement.

    The appearance of progress is illusory. The hope for progress is naive beyond stupidity.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Ordinary Iranians are hoping this means an end to sanctions. The White House has repeatedly said that sanctions don't come off until the Iranians prove themselves trustworthy and capable of adhering to the agreement, which is never going to happen.
    Yep. Would seem to be the case on all counts.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Obama has done nothing good at all. His policies have destablized the region, and now ISIS is tearing all over the fertile crescent and taking heads. Yemen has fallen. Libya is a haven for international terrorists. Israel has been alienated. Iraq is falling into Iranian hands. Iran is still going to get a bomb and has taken control over more territory than ever.
    Indeed. And this destabilization, including the rise of ISIS, can be traced right back to the two SoF agreements that he couldn't be bothered with.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This is a MASSIVE victory to Iran. They are getting an entire huge modern Air Force and Army out of this deal, the government can declare they broke the will of the United States, and can laugh at every USA ally in the region.
    More accurately, I think they broke the will of Obama, recognizing that he was easily exploitable and easily manipulable in his present desperation for a deal, hell, any deal, with Iran. Yes, Obama's a know weak leader in the ME, hence the increase in the boldness of the Islamic Militant Fundamentalists and their attacks and land acquisitions. They really believe that they can get away with it, with this US president, and to date, they are and they have.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Obama has engaged in good diplomacy, not war mongering.
    Calling this good diplomacy would seem to be a stretch, in that Obama gave up so much, and got so little in return. Isn't good diplomacy supposed result in about an even level of concessions between the two parties? Don't think that this applies to this executive agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The U.S. got something in return.
    What might that have been? What significant concessions has Iran made to this deal? 'Cause I'm sorry, I'm not seeing it.
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Iran knows how to enrich uranium, that is the bottom line. You will not change the fact that they know exactly how to enrich uranium by bombing them.
    Who advocated bombing them>


    As such, they way forward is inspections and integrating them into the international community that minimizes the chances that Iran will develop a bomb. We fought a terrible war with both Germany and Japan. Although both are capable, neither country is developing nuclear weapons because they have been integrated into the international community.
    How do you plan on integrating a pan-islamic expansionist fascist theocratic regime into the international community? Have you forgotten many of those IED's used to kill Americans were stamped "made in iran"? do you not realize who they back in yemen?

    Are you for real?

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    In Iran, president praises nuclear deal, public has mixed reactions - LA Times


    See not all people cheering, some still call for our deaths....


    But lets give them nuclear capability. Smart move!
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it does mean something. You simply don't want it to mean anything.
    Nothing would make me happier than if Iran actually did give up its designs on nuclear weapons. They just haven't and they won't. Reasonable people can see that much.


    They have agreed to a suspension of sanctions that is proportional to the verification of the steps taken such as the redesign of a reactor.
    Nope, they disavowed that. They are still demanding immediate lifting of sanctions.

    They have agreed to cut the number of centrifuges to under 6000.
    Yeah, centrifuges that are six times more efficient than the old ones. They're getting upgrades, not cutbacks, assuming they even adhere to that much of any agreement.

    It is illusory in your mind, not in the minds of reasonable people around the world.
    Reasonable people are not as delusional as you guys are.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And how is it that the framework for a deal that prevents Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, is bending over and taking it, hmm?
    Prevents them? Nah, at best slows it, and that's only if they decide to all the sudden start being open and honest.

    Man, libs are gullible.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I'm not.


    Well then, so you are for indisciminent killing, wars of choice, and arming or giving capability to those hostile to us. For what end?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The U.S. got something in return.
    Yeah? What?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    What did you expect when two Muslims get together they agree on stuff. You know when something stinks when our stupid prezz stands before an audience and say it(the agreement) is not as bad as it was before. So, you are dying of leukemia but at least it ain't no cancer baby! Way to go prezzz

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    What might that have been? What significant concessions has Iran made to this deal? 'Cause I'm sorry, I'm not seeing it.
    Iran has about 20,000 centrifuges, they have agreed to cut that number to less than 6000. That is a 70 percent reduction and is rather significant. Iran has agreed to modify the Arak nuclear reactor such that it can produce an limited amount of fuel only. That is significant. They have agreed to reduce their stockpile of nuclear material, that is significant.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Well then, so you are for indisciminent killing, wars of choice, and arming or giving capability to those hostile to us. For what end?
    Nope. I think that there are circumstances in which war is necessary.

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