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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    OK so in your view the threat of the hammer is forcing Iran to the table to never ending negotiations.
    it worked for Bush. Then he handed the process over to the Europeans instead and Iran laughed and started development right back up.

    However everyone knows Obama has no intention on using the hammer or even the threat of it.
    True. With this guy at the helm there isn't a good solution. Our best bet is to make that clear, let Israel take care of it as best they can, and then weather the administrations' hyperbolic snit-fit afterwards.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    From making IED's to supporting terrorism, to lying about inspections, to calling for the deaths of other nations. I posted a bunch of links in another post.


    Way to minimize it tho, bro.
    What does that have to do with international inspectors? This is about a nuclear program.. Try to stay on topic.


    if it was completely open without strings, I'd feel much better about it. not shure y u said tat.
    "Without strings"? And yet you have a problem with the international community have full access to their program?

    Sure you have. you even rationalize Irans past as you did in the above response.
    "Rationalize Irans past"? Or was it just stating what happened...

    right, please provide correct terminology and vocabulary that is acceptable in this conversation, I'll make sure not to make light of it in the future.
    Nuclear program. Nuclear energy.


    Sure it does, by your posts, your hostile, religious, regime to move forward with this, you are supporting them. simple as that.


    I mean it's a good thing they don't have an anti-gay marriage pizza shop or something.
    No, they just hang people for being gay.
    incorrect. your positions are what show you as supporting the Iranian religious fascist regime.
    No its not.

    Your minimization of thier past hostility.
    I "minimized their past hostility"? How so? All I have stated is these negotiations are about a nuclear program, not their state sponsoring of terrorism.

    your unwavering faith in inspectors ignoring irans hostility in the past to them.
    Your example of "past hostility" to them was not even an example about international inspectors...

    your support for letting Iran persue nuclear power,
    As they have a right to do so as long as its peaceful.

    even as the country oppresses it's people and calls for the death of other nations,
    Thats right. Even countries we dont agree with get to have that same right.

    is indeed support for fascism,
    Nope its not.

    as by lifting sanctions,
    Some of them that are related to their nuclear program.

    and letting them get nuclear energy,
    They already have nuclear energy bud..

    they now have the means to continue thier government and oppression in a much more prosperous way.
    They can continue to oppress their people even without nuclear energy, and have done so.

    You sir, by supporting this "deal", are indeed supporting fascism..
    No. I'm supporting diplomatic relations and a peaceful resolution to a international issue.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What does that have to do with international inspectors? This is about a nuclear program.. Try to stay on topic.



    "Without strings"? And yet you have a problem with the international community have full access to their program?


    "Rationalize Irans past"? Or was it just stating what happened...


    Nuclear program. Nuclear energy.






    No, they just hang people for being gay.

    No its not.


    I "minimized their past hostility"? How so? All I have stated is these negotiations are about a nuclear program, not their state sponsoring of terrorism.


    Your example of "past hostility" to them was not even an example about international inspectors...


    As they have a right to do so as long as its peaceful.


    Thats right. Even countries we dont agree with get to have that same right.


    Nope its not.


    Some of them that are related to their nuclear program.


    They already have nuclear energy bud..


    They can continue to oppress their people even without nuclear energy, and have done so.


    No. I'm supporting diplomatic relations and a peaceful resolution to a international issue.




    You quote parsing is annoying.


    You make exuses for Iran, minimize thier terrorist past, and are supporting measures that will help this fascist theocratic regime keep it's oppressive power.

    Bottom line.
    If you build an army of 100 lions and their leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You quote parsing is annoying.
    Could care less. Im responding to your points/accusations

    You make exuses for Iran,
    No I dont.

    minimize thier terrorist past,
    No I dont.

    and are supporting measures that will help this fascist theocratic regime keep it's oppressive power.
    No I dont. They already have nuclear power. Better for it to be monitored than it not.


    Bottom line.
    Nope
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Could care less. Im responding to your points/accusations


    No I dont.


    No I dont.


    No I dont. They already have nuclear power. Better for it to be monitored than it not.



    Nope


    *shrug* Praise Allah, just hope they don't open up an anti-gay pizza shop in tehran or something, then you'd really be conflicted.


    My position is we shouldn't reward tyrannicall oppressive fascist regimes that are hostile, and warlike to it's neigbors, and to us. you are on the other end of the argument. Giving into fascists will bring a world of peace.... /sarcasm.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    *shrug* Praise Allah, just hope they don't open up an anti-gay pizza shop in tehran or something, then you'd really be conflicted.
    Why do you keep on bringing up a "anti-gay pizza shop"? Last I checked this was about nuclear negotiations and nuclear energy.

    My position is we shouldn't reward tyrannicall oppressive fascist regimes that are hostile, and warlike to it's neigbors, and to us. you are on the other end of the argument. Giving into fascists will bring a world of peace.... /sarcasm.
    How is ensuring that their nuclear program is peaceful "rewarding"?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why do you keep on bringing up a "anti-gay pizza shop"? Last I checked this was about nuclear negotiations and nuclear energy.
    Pointing out hypocrisy.


    How is ensuring that their nuclear program is peaceful "rewarding"?
    sanctions lifted, nuke program on track weakens or strengthens the fascists?
    If you build an army of 100 lions and their leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Pointing out hypocrisy.
    Not hypocrisy at all. Did I suddenly change my position on LGBT rights in Iran?

    sanctions lifted, nuke program on track weakens or strengthens the fascists?
    You know why the sanctions are there right? You know they are related to their nuclear program and not being open? You know this correct?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not hypocrisy at all. Did I suddenly change my position on LGBT rights in Iran?


    You know why the sanctions are there right? You know they are related to their nuclear program and not being open? You know this correct?


    Let me ask you, will this help the people of Iran or the fascist regime maintain power?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Let me ask you, will this help the people of Iran or the fascist regime maintain power?
    Its completely neutral. The Iranian regime will be in power if we didnt do this or if we did do this.
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