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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Where did he suggest Iran should be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, can you read? The P5+1 and all the rest of us want a non nuclear weapons powered Iran! Period. Toward that end, Diplomacy first and military action last! We're still in the diplomacy stage.
    We have been in the diplomacy stage forever, all the while Iran is closer to having their nukes. The only reason we are at this point with Iran is because of sanctions and that is all going away with Iran agreeing to nothing. Then hundreds of billions flow back into Iran which will really boost their sorted behavior and their march to Nukes. Once the sanctions are gone, Iran is home free.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    We all know, by looking at history, ho well that works/.
    So far it has worked out well for 45 years. Only 1 signatory nation of 190 (NK withdrew in 2003) has acquired nuclear weapons.

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    this is non responsive to my point, other than seemingly making excuses for iran.
    You have no point other than - no to anything - which isn't feasible.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Right, you trust Iran will let the inspectors have open access, you trust Iran is not looking to build a bomb, for starters.
    You seem to be operating under the idea that Iran is not capable of acting in good faith. If that's the case, then isn't any negotiation doomed to fail? And if THAT'S the case, doesn't that pretty much reduce the options for a nuke-free Iran down to:

    A. Crushing sanctions that would only accelerate Iran's belligerence; and/or
    B. A pre-emptive military action?
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why do you guys keep talking about trust. Nobody is going to trust anybody.
    You mean the inspectors are going to have free and immediate access anytime, anywhere they want to show up. Anytime anywhere...........
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You seem to be operating under the idea that Iran is not capable of acting in good faith. If that's the case, then isn't any negotiation doomed to fail? And if THAT'S the case, doesn't that pretty much reduce the options for a nuke-free Iran down to:

    A. Crushing sanctions that would only accelerate Iran's belligerence; and/or
    B. A pre-emptive military action?
    Generally. If I announce my intent to kill you and start to pull out a gun, usually your options are limited to A) fight back or B) try to run away. The third option wherein you try to help me understand that my rage is just mis-directed anger at my father, and get me to seek counseling for my alcoholism and drug abuse isn't whatcha might call "plausible".
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    You mean the inspectors are going to have free and immediate access anytime, anywhere they want to show up. Anytime anywhere...........
    Oh. Except not. Iran's already announced that, too.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    So far it has worked out well for 45 years. Only 1 signatory nation of 190 (NK withdrew in 2003) has acquired nuclear weapons.
    nice slight of hand attempt.

    Iran, as we were talking about have been less than honest, and have been hostile to inspectors.


    You have no point other than - no to anything - which isn't feasible.

    not really, but lets say ok, still better than giving them the stuff they want to build bombas. *shrug*
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    That means nothing. Iran is still insisting on immediate sanctions relief and continued use of centrifuges. Unless the US completely caves and goes back on everything they have said there will be no final agreement.

    The appearance of progress is illusory. The hope for progress is naive beyond stupidity.
    The US will cave. Obama will be hailed as once again the saviour of the world, and Iran will continue building the bomb.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You seem to be operating under the idea that Iran is not capable of acting in good faith. If that's the case, then isn't any negotiation doomed to fail? And if THAT'S the case, doesn't that pretty much reduce the options for a nuke-free Iran down to:

    A. Crushing sanctions that would only accelerate Iran's belligerence; and/or
    B. A pre-emptive military action?
    Of course, are you willing to take Iran at their word, give it up.

    That is why you have inspectors to insure they are living up to their word according to the agreement. However unless inspectors are going to have free and immediate access anytime, anywhere they want to show up, there really is no deal.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Of course, are you willing to take Iran at their word, give it up.

    That is why you have inspectors to insure they are living up to their word according to the agreement. However unless inspectors are going to have free and immediate access anytime, anywhere they want to show up, there really is no deal.
    Well, if they renege on allowing inspectors access, then obviously the agreement is void.
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