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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    There remain aspects that have to be firmed up. Although a good start, the framework as-is is too amorphous and requires more clarity, depth, and definition.
    True. That's why it's just a frame, and not the painting.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

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    I dont disagree that Iran is an opressive regime, violates human rights, is a theocracy, and has elements of fascism.


    What are these "things"?



    Nope. No I do not.


    yet you seem gleeful and 100% trusting of irans "peaceful" desire for nuclear "power".

    Despite thier history of the opposite actions and desires even today.


    This is support of benefitting a fascist regime.


    thus you support it
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yet you seem gleeful and 100% trusting of irans "peaceful" desire for nuclear "power".
    Iran is guaranteed the right to pursue nuclear-power under the NPT. The core issue at hand is delimiting their ambitions/ability to go farther.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

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    Iran is guaranteed the right to pursue nuclear-power under the NPT. The core issue at hand is delimiting their ambitions/ability to go farther.


    That's fine, but let's be honest here, given the country's aggressive support for terrorism, and expanionsist pan-islamic goals, oppressive nature, and history of hostility towards UN inspectors.. That along with even negotiating anything other than opene and unmolested access for inspectors. That there goal is a nuclear weapon.

    If you think we should let aggressive, violent, fascists regimes get nuclear weapons, then, you are on the right side of history my friend.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's fine, but let's be honest here, given the country's aggressive support for terrorism, and expanionsist pan-islamic goals, oppressive nature, and history of hostility towards UN inspectors.. That along with even negotiating anything other than opene and unmolested access for inspectors. That there goal is a nuclear weapon.

    If you think we should let aggressive, violent, fascists regimes get nuclear weapons, then, you are on the right side of history my friend.
    Where did he suggest Iran should be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, can you read? The P5+1 and all the rest of us want a non nuclear weapons powered Iran! Period. Toward that end, Diplomacy first and military action last! We're still in the diplomacy stage.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's fine, but let's be honest here, given the country's aggressive support for terrorism, and expanionsist pan-islamic goals, oppressive nature, and history of hostility towards UN inspectors.. That along with even negotiating anything other than opene and unmolested access for inspectors. That there goal is a nuclear weapon.
    I've never said or thought differently. Intrusive inspections vis-a-vis Iran are a must and I consider this facet non-negotiable.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If you think we should let aggressive, violent, fascists regimes get nuclear weapons, then, you are on the right side of history my friend.
    Personally, I would rather that no one have them. But that is not about to happen anytime soon so I insist that all 189 NPT nations honor their signed commitments.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Where did he suggest Iran should be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, can you read? The P5+1 and all the rest of us want a non nuclear weapons powered Iran! Period. Toward that end, Diplomacy first and military action last! We're still in the diplomacy stage.

    Your naivety and trust of a theocratic fascist regime, is intriguing. Do go on.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I've never said or thought differently. Intrusive inspections vis-a-vis Iran are a must and I consider this facet non-negotiable.
    We all know, by looking at history, ho well that works/.

    Personally, I would rather that no one have them. But that is not about to happen anytime soon so I insist that all 189 NPT nations honor their signed commitments.

    this is non responsive to my point, other than seemingly making excuses for iran.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Your naivety and trust of a theocratic fascist regime, is intriguing. Do go on.
    Why do you guys keep talking about trust. Nobody is going to trust anybody.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why do you guys keep talking about trust. Nobody is going to trust anybody.


    Right, you trust Iran will let the inspectors have open access, you trust Iran is not looking to build a bomb, for starters.
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