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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Read the framework and decide for yourself if it allows Iran to process fissile material and eventually develop a nuclear weapon.
    What don't you understand? They already possess the knowledge and the expertise. It is far too late to totally prevent this eventuality.

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    A dirty bomb does't even require weapons grade uranium.
    Virtually anyone with some determination can fabricate a dirty bomb (RDD). In the US alone, one orphan radiological source is lost, abandoned, or stolen every day.

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    Even the Europeans who were our negotiation partners claim that we rolled over for Iran, just to have a framework.
    Show me (link) where any of the 5+1/EU negotiators disapproved of the framework agreement or are not willing to go forward.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Read the framework and decide for yourself if it allows Iran to process fissile material and eventually develop a nuclear weapon. A dirty bomb does't even require weapons grade uranium. Even the Europeans who were our negotiation partners claim that we rolled over for Iran, just to have a framework. Good foreign policy requires an understanding of the appropriate use of power. What we did was give up our power and resort to begging. What kind of moron likes a bad deal?
    If the other negotiators don't like the deal, they don't have to agree, and then there's no deal, see. The framework at present is acceptable to me.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

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    What horrible piece of trash taught you to write?

    So you at least think WWII was worth it? Really? In what way did WWII meet your standards? If nothing else meets your standards I don't see how WWII could have.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If the other negotiators don't like the deal, they don't have to agree, and then there's no deal, see. The framework at present is acceptable to me.

    Good. Sign the treaty and we're done.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    What don't you understand? They already possess the knowledge and the expertise. It is far too late to totally prevent this eventuality.


    Virtually anyone with some determination can fabricate a dirty bomb (RDD). In the US alone, one orphan radiological source is lost, abandoned, or stolen every day.


    Show me (link) where any of the 5+1/EU negotiators disapproved of the framework agreement or are not willing to go forward.
    Isn't that the point of this? The hope is that they would dismantle their nuclear program and stop being an international state sponsor of insurrection. None of this was addressed in the framework because this administration is weak.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Good. Sign the treaty and we're done.
    There remain aspects that have to be firmed up. Although a good start, the framework as-is is too amorphous and requires more clarity, depth, and definition.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The hope is that they would dismantle their nuclear program and stop being an international state sponsor of insurrection. None of this was addressed in the framework because this administration is weak.
    There was never any intent in the Lausanne negotiations to go beyond its core mandate ... capping Iran's nuclear ambitions in return for sanction relief.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You can label yourself anything you want, but you are supporting a far right wing, non-secular, theocratic, fascist regime in helping them get things that prop up and maintain that regimes very existence. *shrug*
    Yup. Being in favor of diplomacy makes me support this regime. Your logic is full of strawman arguments.


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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yup. Being in favor of diplomacy makes me support this regime. Your logic is full of strawman arguments.

    it's not a strawman. It's fact. iran=oppressive human rights violating fascist theocracy...


    You cheer them getting the things they need to continue to be such.


    You support fascism.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    it's not a strawman. It's fact. iran=oppressive human rights violating fascist theocracy...
    I dont disagree that Iran is an opressive regime, violates human rights, is a theocracy, and has elements of fascism.

    You cheer them getting the things they need to continue to be such.
    What are these "things"?


    You support fascism.
    Nope. No I do not.


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