Thread: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

Originally Posted by Simpleχity

Every treaty is an assumption that the participants will honor the terms. Most of the time it is effective, but there are events - such as the Russian invasion of Ukraine - where treaties are broken.

This doesn't mean treaties are a zero-sum fools game, it just means that treaties are only as good as the commitments to honor them.


The current framework - The Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA) - guarantees IAEA verification.

If you have a better idea, I would love to hear it.

To the bolded.

To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran
By JOHN R. BOLTON MARCH 26, 2015

Originally Posted by Simpleχity

Every treaty is an assumption that the participants will honor the terms. Most of the time it is effective, but there are events - such as the Russian invasion of Ukraine - where treaties are broken.

This doesn't mean treaties are a zero-sum fools game, it just means that treaties are only as good as the commitments to honor them.

And then there are people who would make agreements with nations that have always lied, have always violated their agreements up to and including the sanctity of foreign embassies in their territories. People who make agreements with such are fools.

The current framework - The Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA) - guarantees IAEA verification.

If you have a better idea, I would love to hear it.

Yeah, drop the whole thing and deal with the Iranians as the savages that they are.

Originally Posted by BWG

Some folks do have trouble with memory loss, but not everyone displays it so publicly.

In all fairness, approval of the U.S. has fallen. Do you think it's all the fault of ONE person? No response needed, it's a rhetorical question.

So you compare the worst of Bush's administration with the best of Obama's. No unfairness there at all.

But now that I think about it, any President who does a good job of protecting America's interests will be unpopular with foreigners. Popularity in foreign countries during Obama's tenure isn't a plus for America -- it means that we are weak.

Obama initially boosted America's popularity with foreign countries by projecting an image of weakness. Thus he won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything. But then he proved to be capable of asserting America's interests in some ways, at least. He continued Bush era counter-terrorism measures, for example. He boosted troops in Afghanistan. He rained terror down upon Al Qaeda leadership with thousands of drone strikes. He totally failed to live up to the promise that the Nobel Prize Committee saw in him, which is a good thing.

Originally Posted by LowDown

So you compare the worst of Bush's administration with the best of Obama's. No unfairness there at all.

But now that I think about it, any President who does a good job of protecting America's interests will be unpopular with foreigners. Popularity in foreign countries during Obama's tenure isn't a plus for America -- it means that we are weak.

Obama initially boosted America's popularity with foreign countries by projecting an image of weakness. Thus he won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything. But then he proved to be capable of asserting America's interests in some ways, at least. He continued Bush era counter-terrorism measures, for example. He boosted troops in Afghanistan. He rained terror down upon Al Qaeda leadership with thousands of drone strikes. He totally failed to live up to the promise that the Nobel Prize Committee saw in him, which is a good thing.

Lol. Right cause advocating peace is such a bad thing.

Originally Posted by LowDown

Yeah, drop the whole thing and deal with the Iranians as the savages that they are.

That's no lasting solution. You can't simply bomb away nuclear knowledge.

Originally Posted by MildSteel

Nope. I don't like the things that Obama has engaged in wrt to drones in Afghanistan.

That does not mean that what he is doing with respect to Iran is not correct. He is doing the right thing by engaging in these negotiations, and if you are indeed a pacifist then you should be happy this is happening because if this did not happen the very type of bombing that you don't like will very likely occur.

So instead we are going to create another N. Korea, and be assured no "bombing" will take place....

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Oh yup. Me, an atheist, left wing, democratic socialist, is in favor of a far right wing, non-secular, theocratic, fascism...

You can label yourself anything you want, but you are supporting a far right wing, non-secular, theocratic, fascist regime in helping them get things that prop up and maintain that regimes very existence. *shrug*