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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Every treaty is an assumption that the participants will honor the terms. Most of the time it is effective, but there are events - such as the Russian invasion of Ukraine - where treaties are broken.

    This doesn't mean treaties are a zero-sum fools game, it just means that treaties are only as good as the commitments to honor them.


    The current framework - The Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA) - guarantees IAEA verification.

    If you have a better idea, I would love to hear it.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Every treaty is an assumption that the participants will honor the terms. Most of the time it is effective, but there are events - such as the Russian invasion of Ukraine - where treaties are broken.

    This doesn't mean treaties are a zero-sum fools game, it just means that treaties are only as good as the commitments to honor them.
    And then there are people who would make agreements with nations that have always lied, have always violated their agreements up to and including the sanctity of foreign embassies in their territories. People who make agreements with such are fools.


    The current framework - The Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA) - guarantees IAEA verification.

    If you have a better idea, I would love to hear it.
    Yeah, drop the whole thing and deal with the Iranians as the savages that they are.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Some folks do have trouble with memory loss, but not everyone displays it so publicly.

    In all fairness, approval of the U.S. has fallen. Do you think it's all the fault of ONE person? No response needed, it's a rhetorical question.
    So you compare the worst of Bush's administration with the best of Obama's. No unfairness there at all.

    But now that I think about it, any President who does a good job of protecting America's interests will be unpopular with foreigners. Popularity in foreign countries during Obama's tenure isn't a plus for America -- it means that we are weak.

    Obama initially boosted America's popularity with foreign countries by projecting an image of weakness. Thus he won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything. But then he proved to be capable of asserting America's interests in some ways, at least. He continued Bush era counter-terrorism measures, for example. He boosted troops in Afghanistan. He rained terror down upon Al Qaeda leadership with thousands of drone strikes. He totally failed to live up to the promise that the Nobel Prize Committee saw in him, which is a good thing.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    So you compare the worst of Bush's administration with the best of Obama's. No unfairness there at all.

    But now that I think about it, any President who does a good job of protecting America's interests will be unpopular with foreigners. Popularity in foreign countries during Obama's tenure isn't a plus for America -- it means that we are weak.

    Obama initially boosted America's popularity with foreign countries by projecting an image of weakness. Thus he won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything. But then he proved to be capable of asserting America's interests in some ways, at least. He continued Bush era counter-terrorism measures, for example. He boosted troops in Afghanistan. He rained terror down upon Al Qaeda leadership with thousands of drone strikes. He totally failed to live up to the promise that the Nobel Prize Committee saw in him, which is a good thing.


    Lol. Right cause advocating peace is such a bad thing.
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yeah, drop the whole thing and deal with the Iranians as the savages that they are.
    That's no lasting solution. You can't simply bomb away nuclear knowledge.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Nope. I don't like the things that Obama has engaged in wrt to drones in Afghanistan.

    That does not mean that what he is doing with respect to Iran is not correct. He is doing the right thing by engaging in these negotiations, and if you are indeed a pacifist then you should be happy this is happening because if this did not happen the very type of bombing that you don't like will very likely occur.


    So instead we are going to create another N. Korea, and be assured no "bombing" will take place....
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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Oh yup. Me, an atheist, left wing, democratic socialist, is in favor of a far right wing, non-secular, theocratic, fascism...


    You can label yourself anything you want, but you are supporting a far right wing, non-secular, theocratic, fascist regime in helping them get things that prop up and maintain that regimes very existence. *shrug*
    If you build an army of 100 lions and their leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Left wingers already cheering victories for fascist regimes. no 3....2...1... needed.
    Yep......at the same time that liberals in this country are screeching madly if a pizza joint will not cater a gay wedding, they are proclaiming victory laps for a fascist regime that stones homosexuals to death.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not just the courage, but the patience and form to endure all republican attempts to derail it. It would appear that the republicans are opposed to the P5+1 preventing an Iranian nuclear weapons program. A missed opportunity for another ME war!
    Who says that this agreement if it ever does come about will prevent the Iranian nuclear program from going forward? A similar agreement did not stop North Korea. They were cheating before the paperwork was dry and now have nukes.

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    Re: Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Decades of USFP have destabilised the ME. From the 2006 NIE!!

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    Baloney. What invasion led them to get extreme enough to crash two commercial jet liners into the world trade center and one into the pentagon? How about the attempt to bomb the towers in 1993? The bombing of the USS Cole? Khobar Towers, etc? No US invasion radicalized these nutcases. They just have a culture of death.

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