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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First, you don't know that of this deal, sense no deal has been agreed to. Secondly, there are dozens of countries actively working for global nuclear eradication. And yes, a big part of the negotiations involve participating nations trade interests. But they've all made clear that a nuclear weapons powered Iran is in nobodies interests. So what's your schtick, the Bolton, McCain, Netanyahu plan?
    No sense in continuing if you are going to be intellectually dishonest and demeaning. Hope your debating skills get better when you leave high school at get into college.

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So...Obama is willing to give up the sanctions...which have worked, btw...for this "framework"??

    Yep...Chamberlain would be proud of Obama.
    The sanctions have not stopped the Iranians from going forward on their nuclear program so other than bringing them to the table, how have they worked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The sanctions have not stopped the Iranians from going forward on their nuclear program so other than bringing them to the table, how have they worked?
    Bringing them to the table is only part of it and Obama seems satisfied with accomplishing that much. Too bad he's not willing to force them to the next level, but will waste all the effort by ending sanctions and only getting...maybe...10 years of respite out of them.

    Of course, by then he will be able to crow to the world how "well" he's done...his legacy will be assured. (Until those 10 years have passed, at least. Then the bill for his sell-out will come due.)
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    No,this is the 'framework' for a deal to be finalized in June.
    Iran's MO is to stretch it out then renege at the last minute.
    It only took 3 posts to return to that comfort zone of baseless speculation. Why discuss facts when baseless speculation is so much more interesting...

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    Iran’s Persian statement on ‘deal’ contradicts Obama’s claims | New York Post

    Something has got to be wrong with this framework, and I'm not surprised since we had Lurch lead the delegation.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    The biggest difference the way I see it, is that Iran is ruled by a radical extremist religion. NKs main motive for the bomb is to preserve the dictatorship/NK communist society. Iran's motive is for complete destruction of Irsael and to triumph over that centuries old shiite/sunni/tribal war.
    Iran cannot destroy Isreal so that argument is moot. NK has repeatedly stated that it wants a war of annihilation and they have brainwashed their people for that. I have met Iranians overseas who are studying for medical degrees and they are not fanatics, they are a democracy.

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Bringing them to the table is only part of it and Obama seems satisfied with accomplishing that much. Too bad he's not willing to force them to the next level, but will waste all the effort by ending sanctions and only getting...maybe...10 years of respite out of them.

    Of course, by then he will be able to crow to the world how "well" he's done...his legacy will be assured. (Until those 10 years have passed, at least. Then the bill for his sell-out will come due.)
    You are forgetting that the sanctions are not ours alone and without the rest of the powers participating they will be useless. The Europeans are at the end of their rope and China and Russia will certainly balk at continuing sanctions especially if the agreement is made and we fail to ratify it. This is the danger of involving politics in foreign policy. It is threatening to our safety and that of the whole world. Bubbi will never be satisfied unless we invade Iran for him. That is fine for an Israeli prime minister to say but the idea that your side is backing that ideology is distressing to say the least. It is dangerously bordering on treason not that you kind even care anymore. There was a reason that politics stopped at the border for so many years and you should be ashamed that your side are the ones to have broken it. It will not be forgotten.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Iran’s Persian statement on ‘deal’ contradicts Obama’s claims | New York Post

    Something has got to be wrong with this framework, and I'm not surprised since we had Lurch lead the delegation.
    So now the Iranians are the honest ones? I thought they couldn't be trusted?

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are forgetting that the sanctions are not ours alone and without the rest of the powers participating they will be useless. The Europeans are at the end of their rope and China and Russia will certainly balk at continuing sanctions especially if the agreement is made and we fail to ratify it. This is the danger of involving politics in foreign policy. It is threatening to our safety and that of the whole world. Bubbi will never be satisfied unless we invade Iran for him. That is fine for an Israeli prime minister to say but the idea that your side is backing that ideology is distressing to say the least. It is dangerously bordering on treason not that you kind even care anymore. There was a reason that politics stopped at the border for so many years and you should be ashamed that your side are the ones to have broken it. It will not be forgotten.
    LOL!!

    So...in your attempt to excuse Obama for bad negotiating you try to blame:

    1. Other countries.
    2. Republicans, if they don't ratify the crap deal Obama gives Iran.
    3. "Bubbi".
    4. Treasonous Republicans.
    5. Politics.

    I think you forgot to blame Bush this time around.
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