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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    Was Obama there? All I saw was Kerry representing the US. Of the countries negotiating, four of the six were the elected leaders of their countries - I don't know who Jinping is.
    Howdy Polgara. Well, Kerry is representing Obama. No president can be everywhere. I can't understand though why it is that while it's the five permanent members of the UNSC and Germany that's compelling Iran, it's constantly framed as a unilateral Obama ambition?
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Iran has repeatedly vowed to annihilate Israel. Israel should attack with everything they got, nuclear weapons included. The alternative is for all Jews to flee Israel. Now.
    Fear mongering. Iran isn't making nuclear weapons, and the P5+1 intend to keep it that way. And advocating the use of nuclear weapons on Iran, with the numbers of civilians that would be killed, is twisted dude.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Howdy Polgara. Well, Kerry is representing Obama. No president can be everywhere. I can't understand though why it is that while it's the five permanent members of the UNSC and Germany that's compelling Iran, it's constantly framed as a unilateral Obama ambition?
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    I don't understand that either, since I thought Iran was the one that wanted to meet to see what was required to get the sanctions lifted. ?? Maybe it will become more clear as time goes on. It's just strange that they've met for months and nothing was agreed upon, and two nights ago they resolved everything in one night?

    How can talks drag on and on and on anyway? It seems that since the entire world was against this from the beginning, including the UN, it should only have taken about 15 minutes to lay out the terms, or sanctions would be increased! What game is this being played? No one seems to believe that Iran can be trusted to abide by any agreement. That's the reason sanctions were put on them in the first place - they broke an earlier deal!

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    I don't understand that either, since I thought Iran was the one that wanted to meet to see what was required to get the sanctions lifted. ?? Maybe it will become more clear as time goes on. It's just strange that they've met for months and nothing was agreed upon, and two nights ago they resolved everything in one night?

    How can talks drag on and on and on anyway? It seems that since the entire world was against this from the beginning, including the UN, it should only have taken about 15 minutes to lay out the terms, or sanctions would be increased! What game is this being played? No one seems to believe that Iran can be trusted to abide by any agreement. That's the reason sanctions were put on them in the first place - they broke an earlier deal!
    Perhaps I can help you folks to understand why this is considered a U.S. centric deal. That is because it has been Kerry holding one on one conversations with the Iranians. If you remember heads of three delegations left earlier in the week when the deadline expired.

    Lets be real, at least when it comes to the Chinese, Russians and EU, they would have signed off on day one giving Iran the bomb tomorrow, they could care less. France cares a bit more but in the end they all folded like cheap whores, taking any deal so they could do more business in Iran.

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    I don't understand that either, since I thought Iran was the one that wanted to meet to see what was required to get the sanctions lifted. ?? Maybe it will become more clear as time goes on. It's just strange that they've met for months and nothing was agreed upon, and two nights ago they resolved everything in one night?

    How can talks drag on and on and on anyway? It seems that since the entire world was against this from the beginning, including the UN, it should only have taken about 15 minutes to lay out the terms, or sanctions would be increased! What game is this being played? No one seems to believe that Iran can be trusted to abide by any agreement. That's the reason sanctions were put on them in the first place - they broke an earlier deal!
    Well, the earlier deal didn't have the historically rigorous monitoring apparatus that the Obama administration insists any deal this time around will have. And I'm sure you weren't serious that such a deal could be laid out in fifteen minutes. But if Iran disagrees with a point, then it has to be restructured, reworded to appease Iran, yet still meet the P5+1's goals. There's six nations involved in this. Also, in case you didn't know this, countries negotiating the framework, and ultimately any deal, have more than just an interest in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons. They're also jockeying for trade with Iran. It's much more complex than a 15 minute meeting could iron out. Consider this too Polgara, Obama has been clear from jump street that any deal reached will have two basic premises. One, Iran will be denied production of any nuclear weapons, and B, there will be very intrusive and historically rigorous inspections to verify number one. And too, Obama has said that should they fail to reach an agreement, or should Iran fail to meet their obligations, that the military option remains in place, and plans for dealing with Iran's nuclear issue militarily are already drawn up! So, I believe the handwringing is just political posturing.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Perhaps I can help you folks to understand why this is considered a U.S. centric deal. That is because it has been Kerry holding one on one conversations with the Iranians. If you remember heads of three delegations left earlier in the week when the deadline expired.

    Lets be real, at least when it comes to the Chinese, Russians and EU, they would have signed off on day one giving Iran the bomb tomorrow, they could care less. France cares a bit more but in the end they all folded like cheap whores, taking any deal so they could do more business in Iran.
    Any deal reached by definition will have the support of the P5+1, and if they decide to make it a UNSCR it will be binding whether the republican congress likes it, or not.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Iran has repeatedly vowed to annihilate Israel. Israel should attack with everything they got, nuclear weapons included. The alternative is for all Jews to flee Israel. Now.
    This is just silly. Iran is all talk, Isreal doesnt make threats but instead just attacks with impunity and can annihilate Iran anytime it wants to. North Korea makes threats all the time and they have nukes but you neocons always ignore them. Why the double standard?

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    This is just silly. Iran is all talk, Isreal doesnt make threats but instead just attacks with impunity and can annihilate Iran anytime it wants to. North Korea makes threats all the time and they have nukes but you neocons always ignore them. Why the double standard?
    Are you claiming that Iran has no ties to terrorism? Iran's Support for Terrorism Worldwide - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    North Korea has its own ties to terrorism too but you seem to ignore it.... but the moment Iran gets mentioned all the right wingers start frothing at the mouth.

    And let's not forget about US actions in the Mideast bringing about ISIS and AQ...

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong, Obama has repeatedly stated that should no deal be reached or Iran fail to meet its obligations to a deal reached, there's still the military option.

    Like Israel, the United States has already drawn up plans to dismantle Iran's nuclear infrastructure through military means. And the United States could almost certainly count on the help of Gulf states, which consider the United States, as opposed to Israel, one of their strongest allies.

    Nuclear talks: Could force still be used against Iran? - CNN.com
    Not under Obama's watch...NO WAY!

    But hey, try and color me surprised.
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