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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    So in other words.. the way to deal with Iran is to not deal with Iran? That makes no sense whatsoever.
    No, it means the way to deal with Iran is to first not forget who Iran is.

    And the agreement hinges on them complying with the agreement. The agreement stipulates that they have to endure inspections.. it reduces the amount of nuclear material they can have. Reduces the number of centrifuges etc.
    Which means nothing. North Korea agreed to all these things as well and still ended up with a bomb. You put way to much trust in inspections.

    The idea that Iran has to renounce everything doesn't make sense.
    Oh, it doesn't? You don't find sense in demanding that Iran stop funding terrorist groups and acknowledge the state of Israel? Straaange.

    The reality is that what keeps the crazies in power in Iran is isolationism. What else do the people have to turn to? The hardliners in Iran are praying to Allah right now that the US rejects this deal. That would be the best thing to keep the hardliners in power.
    Nope. What keeps the crazies in power in Iran is that they are crazy and have tanks and are willing to kill their own citizens to remain in power. You seem to forget that the current brutal regime came when the Islamic radical mullahs replaced the reform president Mohammad Khatami with the bat-guano crazy Ahmadinejad. 1997 to 2005 saw a very moderate Iran with growing ties to the US. By your argument that should have lead to good times, but it ended with Ahmadinejad and a failed populist student uprising in 2009.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, it means the way to deal with Iran is to first not forget who Iran is.
    And also to remember that if Iran really wanted a bomb there is nothing we could do to stop them short of invasion and they know that too. The only thing we can do is try to change their priorities.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Which means nothing. North Korea agreed to all these things as well and still ended up with a bomb. You put way to much trust in inspections.
    We made a deal with North Korea that we broke. One wonders what might have happened had we lived up to our end of the bargain.

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    And also to remember that if Iran really wanted a bomb there is nothing we could do to stop them short of invasion and they know that too. The only thing we can do is try to change their priorities.



    We made a deal with North Korea that we broke. One wonders what might have happened had we lived up to our end of the bargain.
    1. Unfortunately, Obama is too much of a chicken-**** to do what it takes to stop Iran from getting the bomb.

    2. I think you should re-visit the N. Korea history about who broke what deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    1. Unfortunately, Obama is too much of a chicken-**** to do what it takes to stop Iran from getting the bomb.
    Well, maybe you should enlist so we can parachute you over Tehran with the rest of the troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    2. I think you should re-visit the N. Korea history about who broke what deal.
    North Korea was complying with the deal until it became clear that the United States had no intention of holding up its end of the bargain.

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How can they do that with inspectors at every facility? Do you actually think the inspectors are going to help them build a bomb? I wouldn't be surprised given your other posts.
    Oh, you think there will inspectors at each facility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Well, maybe you should enlist so we can parachute you over Tehran with the rest of the troops.
    Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and the scars. But tell me, are you a chicken-****, too?

    North Korea was complying with the deal until it became clear that the United States had no intention of holding up its end of the bargain.
    You got a source to cite? Or are you just blathering.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    1. Unfortunately, Obama is too much of a chicken-**** to do what it takes to stop Iran from getting the bomb.
    and share with us what Obama should have done instead

    2. I think you should re-visit the N. Korea history about who broke what deal.
    the shrub queered that deal
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and the scars. But tell me, are you a chicken-****, too?
    No, but I'm not a war monger either. Those that are should be the first dispatched.

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    You got a source to cite? Or are you just blathering.
    You can start here. The United States did not live up to a single one of its obligations under the Agreed Framework thanks to the same sort of Republican sabotage we are seeing now with Iran. In contrast, North Korea agreed to IAEA inspection, stopped construction of two nuclear reactors, shut down the existing Yongbyon reactor, and stopped processing spent fuel. There was a real opportunity to make progress that the Republicans destroyed because they don't know the meaning of diplomacy. All North Korea got in return for compliance was a catalog of broken commitments, chest-pounding, and threats from the Republican Party so of course they took a 180 and built a bomb.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    No, but I'm not a war monger either. Those that are should be the first dispatched.



    You can start here. The United States did not live up to a single one of its obligations under the Agreed Framework thanks to the same sort of Republican sabotage we are seeing now with Iran. In contrast, North Korea agreed to IAEA inspection, stopped construction of two nuclear reactors, shut down the existing Yongbyon reactor, and stopped processing spent fuel. There was a real opportunity to make progress that the Republicans destroyed because they don't know the meaning of diplomacy. All North Korea got in return for compliance was a catalog of broken commitments, chest-pounding, and threats from the Republican Party so of course they took a 180 and built a bomb.
    So, it sounds like Obama is going the same route that Clinton went. Making a non-binding agreement...disregarding Republican objections...and you want to blame the Republicans.

    We are going to get deja-vu all over again.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So, it sounds like Obama is going the same route that Clinton went. Making a non-binding agreement...disregarding Republican objections...and you want to blame the Republicans. We are going to get deja-vu all over again.
    Thats right, because Republican obstructionism only leads to one outcome; a nuclear armed Iran. We entered into a good-faith agreement with North Korea, they began fulfilling their commitments, and the Republicans demonstrated what the word of the United States is worth; exactly bupkis. I suspect they will make the same mistake this time around too.
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