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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Nothing but empty propaganda and parts of it were already debunked in a previous discussion so you're recycling old material.
    If you're going to rely on rumors, unnamed officials and 'CIA memos' then just say so from the beginning instead of making your baseless assertions sound like a proven fact.

    Israel did not support the free Syrian army although it isn't even recognized as a terror group by any Western nation so you're being ridiculous.
    Your assertion that Israel has ties with Jundallah was already debunked and it is based on the far-left Ha'aretz's claims that are in turn based allegedly on some random CIA memo. The claims regarding the MEK are also mere rumors and assassinating Iranian-government personnel who are the key in advancing the Iranian regime towards nuclear weapons is far from being terrorism. The claim regarding the PKK is simply absurd - not only has Israel never aided the PKK it is actually told to have helped arrest its leader back in 1999 in Kenya.

    The US had never supported ISIS, it has supported the rebels in general until it was revealed that the weapons it provides are falling to the hands of terror groups such as al-Qaeda and ISIS. That's not the same as supporting ISIS and you're being ridiculous. Same goes for Afghanistan and Jabat al-Nusra which is a branch of al-Qaeda. The Free Syrian Army, again, is not a recognized terror organization, it fights al-Assad and his soldiers and not civilians.

    I have no doubt that even though I have debunked your claims for the second time now you're going to post them again in a different thread in a while from now. That's what propagandists do I guess.
    Wow! We can't rely on "CIA memos" but we can rely on the apocalypse!!!!!
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Whoa, you suggesting I have an agenda, I don't patronise Obama. If I think he's wrong, Libya, Egypt, Syria, I point it out, if I think he's right, Israel, Iran, I point that out. I think that particularly in the midst of nuclear negotiations with Ian, that this declassification represents politics, and not national security.
    Ok. Why?

    And have you read the Clapper report?

    For the record, I was referring to GOP pols and talking heads, and the conservahacks here, as those with an agenda.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Iran FM: 'We'll continue enriching, we won't close facilities...all sanctions will be terminated.'


    I have spelled out my six point approach to defeating the US diplomatically:

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's a strategy that is ages old. Hell, it is a common tool of "community organizers".

    1) Reach a vague agreement in principle with a politically motivated opponent.

    2) Wait for the opponent to tie themselves to the deal by announcing the terms of the deal publically for political gain.

    3) Counter-announce that the terms spelled out by your opponent publically with regard to your responsibilities are actually incorrect.

    4) Your opponent will then state that they are going to drop their end of the bargain if you don't keep yours.

    5) Announce that your opponent is backing away from the responsibilities they themselves admitted publically to agreeing to, and are the only verifiable terms of the agreement.

    6) Your Opponent, not willing to look like they lost the negotiation, will then keep their end of the bargain, relieving you of obligation of keeping yours.


    Repeat this as often as necessary until you achieve the goal your opponent didn't want you to achieve.

    For those keeping score, we are on step 3.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ok. Why?

    And have you read the Clapper report?

    For the record, I was referring to GOP pols and talking heads, and the conservahacks here, as those with an agenda.
    Ok, thanks for the agenda clarification. And yes, I just this morning read the Iranian/Hezbollah aspects of Clapper's report, (the .gov report not a media summary) and that only reinforces the question mark of removing them from their assessment list. Obvious to me is that it was one of the concessions that the Obama administration had to make with Iran to secure a framework deal, worth the expense of the GOP criticism that would be sure to follow. Again, this is clear politics, not true US national security interest, and as such the significance.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Iran cannot destroy Isreal so that argument is moot. NK has repeatedly stated that it wants a war of annihilation and they have brainwashed their people for that. I have met Iranians overseas who are studying for medical degrees and they are not fanatics, they are a democracy.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I have spelled out my six point approach to defeating the US diplomatically:




    For those keeping score, we are on step 3.
    The problem with your theory is that this is not a unilateral, Obama administration deal, but a UNSC plus Germany deal. So you're accusing all of being out maneuvered by Iran.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow! We can't rely on "CIA memos" but we can rely on the apocalypse!!!!!
    How original and funny... not.
    The article I was referring to is an Ha'aretz article asserting that they have an email a CIA member sent to another talking about Israel having ties with Jundallah.
    Hence unreliable.

    Funny how you're more than enthusiastic to embrace baseless assertions such as this when they are carrying an anti-Western/American/Israeli agenda but when the only reasonable conclusion is that Iran wishes to produce nuclear weapons you go "there is no proof for that, they want it for peaceful reasons".
    Goes to show how hypocritical and disconnected you and those who share that evil agenda (because there's no better label for the support of pretty much every murderous agenda on this planet) of yours are.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The problem with your theory is that this is not a unilateral, Obama administration deal, but a UNSC plus Germany deal. So you're accusing all of being out maneuvered by Iran.
    And? Who spearheading this deal?

    I am fully aware that a year or two from now the Democrats will be blaming this disastrous deal on Bush.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And? Who spearheading this deal?
    The US has done most of the "heavy-lifting", but all P5+1 nations and the EU must sign-off on it

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I am fully aware that a year or two from now the Democrats will be blaming this disastrous deal on Bush.
    That ... is sheer hyperbole and quite impossible.


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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points



    There are 8 flags represented at the Lausanne negotiations. A deal requires the agreement of all of these entities.


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