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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The headline of that story is wrong.

    Why do you consider it significant?
    Because I agree with the Chairmen on the subcommittee of terrorism that it was political in nature, and that nothing in Iran or Hezbollah's behaviour has changed in the last twelve months that would make this change prudent.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because I agree with the Chairmen on the subcommittee of terrorism that it was political in nature, and that nothing in Iran or Hezbollah's behaviour has changed in the last twelve months that would make this change prudent.
    Except that Hezbollah, for better or for worse, has been helping to fight ISIS.

    The NI director's assessment is simply that. It's not like anything will really change. What has Hezbollah done in the last 12 months to show that it poses a threat to U.S. interests? (Interests, not allies like Israel. Our stuff)

    I just don't see the significance that so many others with a clear agenda seem to -- especially the chairman of the Senate terrorism subcommittee, one Mr. Lindsay Graham.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Please list them.
    Isreal:
    Free Syrian Army
    Jundallah
    People's Mujahedin of Iran
    Party of Free Life of Kurdistan

    US:
    Contras in the 1980's
    ISIS
    Mujahideen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan
    Jabhat al-Nusra
    Free Syrian Army

    U.S.-backed Syria rebels routed by fighters linked to al-Qaeda - The Washington Post
    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...rorism/252971/

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because I agree with the Chairmen on the subcommittee of terrorism that it was political in nature, and that nothing in Iran or Hezbollah's behaviour has changed in the last twelve months that would make this change prudent.
    Quick question: Did you actually read Clapper's report? Not an article on it, but the actual report?
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Quick question: Did you actually read Clapper's report? Not an article on it, but the actual report?
    Quick question: what does it matter if he had or had not?
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Isreal:
    Free Syrian Army
    Jundallah
    People's Mujahedin of Iran
    Party of Free Life of Kurdistan

    US:
    Contras in the 1980's
    ISIS
    Mujahideen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan
    Jabhat al-Nusra
    Free Syrian Army

    U.S.-backed Syria rebels routed by fighters linked to al-Qaeda - The Washington Post
    Israel and Proxy Terrorism
    Nothing but empty propaganda and parts of it were already debunked in a previous discussion so you're recycling old material.
    If you're going to rely on rumors, unnamed officials and 'CIA memos' then just say so from the beginning instead of making your baseless assertions sound like a proven fact.

    Israel did not support the free Syrian army although it isn't even recognized as a terror group by any Western nation so you're being ridiculous.
    Your assertion that Israel has ties with Jundallah was already debunked and it is based on the far-left Ha'aretz's claims that are in turn based allegedly on some random CIA memo. The claims regarding the MEK are also mere rumors and assassinating Iranian-government personnel who are the key in advancing the Iranian regime towards nuclear weapons is far from being terrorism. The claim regarding the PKK is simply absurd - not only has Israel never aided the PKK it is actually told to have helped arrest its leader back in 1999 in Kenya.

    The US had never supported ISIS, it has supported the rebels in general until it was revealed that the weapons it provides are falling to the hands of terror groups such as al-Qaeda and ISIS. That's not the same as supporting ISIS and you're being ridiculous. Same goes for Afghanistan and Jabat al-Nusra which is a branch of al-Qaeda. The Free Syrian Army, again, is not a recognized terror organization, it fights al-Assad and his soldiers and not civilians.

    I have no doubt that even though I have debunked your claims for the second time now you're going to post them again in a different thread in a while from now. That's what propagandists do I guess.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Nothing but empty propaganda and parts of it were already debunked in a previous discussion so you're recycling old material.
    If you're going to rely on rumors, unnamed officials and 'CIA memos' then just say so from the beginning instead of making your baseless assertions sound like a proven fact.

    Israel did not support the free Syrian army although it isn't even recognized as a terror group by any Western nation so you're being ridiculous.
    Your assertion that Israel has ties with Jundallah was already debunked and it is based on the far-left Ha'aretz's claims that are in turn based allegedly on some random CIA memo. The claims regarding the MEK are also mere rumors and assassinating Iranian-government personnel who are the key in advancing the Iranian regime towards nuclear weapons is far from being terrorism. The claim regarding the PKK is simply absurd - not only has Israel never aided the PKK it is actually told to have helped arrest its leader back in 1999 in Kenya.

    The US had never supported ISIS, it has supported the rebels in general until it was revealed that the weapons it provides are falling to the hands of terror groups such as al-Qaeda and ISIS. That's not the same as supporting ISIS and you're being ridiculous. Same goes for Afghanistan and Jabat al-Nusra which is a branch of al-Qaeda. The Free Syrian Army, again, is not a recognized terror organization, it fights al-Assad and his soldiers and not civilians.

    I have no doubt that even though I have debunked your claims for the second time now you're going to post them again in a different thread in a while from now. That's what propagandists do I guess.
    You havent debunked anything. All you do is throw insults and rant about how Isreal is the victim when in fact its the aggressor and the true danger in the region and has been for years. Typical disinformation and hypocrisy and coming from a PEGIDA supporter too.

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    As far as the US supporting ISIS there's a ton of documented evidence, from both the left and the right wing too.

    How the US Supports the Islamic State (ISIS): One “Accidental Airdrop” vs Billions in Covert Military Aid | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
    How the US Helped ISIS Grow Into a Monster | Mother Jones
    US secretly backs rebels to fight al-Qaeda in Syria - Telegraph

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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You havent debunked anything. All you do is throw insults and rant about how Isreal is the victim when in fact its the aggressor and the true danger in the region and has been for years. Typical disinformation and hypocrisy and coming from a PEGIDA supporter too.

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    As far as the US supporting ISIS there's a ton of documented evidence, from both the left and the right wing too.

    How the US Supports the Islamic State (ISIS): One “Accidental Airdrop” vs Billions in Covert Military Aid | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
    How the US Helped ISIS Grow Into a Monster | Mother Jones
    US secretly backs rebels to fight al-Qaeda in Syria - Telegraph
    Yes well if we empty this post from personal attacks it's nothing but a clear cutting evidence that your claims have indeed been debunked.
    You've done nothing to back your baseless assertions and change their status from being baseless assertions to being based facts.

    Regarding the Wikipedia link it says nothing regarding your claim that Israel aids the PKK or the free Syrian army which isn't even a terror organization.
    In relation to Jundallah, all it does is to refer to a Khamenei statement that Israel cooperates with the organization.
    In relation to the MEK, it refers to the same "unnamed officials" who claim that Israel used the MEK to do something that isn't terrorism(the assassinations of Iranian-government agents) in your previous article.

    And regarding the US-ISIS assertion you've referred to links that do not show the US had purposely delivered arms hoping they would fall to the hands of the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Two of these links are actual propaganda pieces, one from a very known propaganda site, globalresearch. Hilariously enough, the third link you've provided from the Telegraph claims the US had allegedly provided aid to rebel groups so to fight ISIS and al-Qaeda, not to support it.

    Empty propaganda. Typical to a supporter of Shiite terror organizations.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Quick question: what does it matter if he had or had not?
    Because he'd see Iran's inclusion in the proper context. And because he'd see what the report actually is.
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    Re: What's in the Iran nuclear deal? 7 key points

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Except that Hezbollah, for better or for worse, has been helping to fight ISIS.

    The NI director's assessment is simply that. It's not like anything will really change. What has Hezbollah done in the last 12 months to show that it poses a threat to U.S. interests? (Interests, not allies like Israel. Our stuff)

    I just don't see the significance that so many others with a clear agenda seem to -- especially the chairman of the Senate terrorism subcommittee, one Mr. Lindsay Graham.
    Whoa, you suggesting I have an agenda, I don't patronise Obama. If I think he's wrong, Libya, Egypt, Syria, I point it out, if I think he's right, Israel, Iran, I point that out. I think that particularly in the midst of nuclear negotiations with Ian, that this declassification represents politics, and not national security.
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