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E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

What in the hell are we doing?
 
The powers that be in Iran don't want women to vote, drive, or show their faces in public, and they punish women for declaring rape. They'll also kill a homosexual person pretty much on sight.

But by all means, liberals are falling all over themselves to help them develop nuclear weapons.

I wish liberals were as tough on Iran as they are bakers and pizzeria owners for exercising their religious freedom as Christians.


Nah Erod, :2wave: they had some ABC commentator talking about how people on the streets of Iran really want to become citizens of the world and all that NWO bs. She was over there and saw all this heartfelt warmth while she walking around the streets of Tehran.
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The powers that be in Iran don't want women to vote, drive, or show their faces in public, and they punish women for declaring rape. They'll also kill a homosexual person pretty much on sight.

But by all means, liberals are falling all over themselves to help them develop nuclear weapons.

I wish liberals were as tough on Iran as they are bakers and pizzeria owners for exercising their religious freedom as Christians.

That has nothing at all to do with a deal.
 
Doesn't matter, they don't have to do anything, as the expiration for sanctions is Dec 31 2016.

We already eased some.....so they are using that money to help a few of their friends out.
 
That has nothing at all to do with a deal.

I realize that. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of where liberals direct all their energy.
 
Your link doesn't say that.
Yes it does

"...extending the breakout time..."

"Iran’s breakout timeline – the time that it would take for Iran to acquire enough fissile
material for one weapon – is currently assessed to be 2 to 3 months. That timeline will be
extended to at least one year, for a duration of at least ten years, under this framework. "

--going from 2-3 months to ≥ 1 year is an extension--


" ... agreeing to halt enrichment ..." wtf kind of nonsense is that?
--At many of their facilities that the P5+1 was most concerned about, they have agreed to halt.--
"Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium at its Fordow facility"
"Iran has agreed to not conduct research and development associated with uranium enrichment at Fordow"
" Iran will not build new enrichment facilities or heavy water reactors"


And it does say breakout time is currently 3 months ... that would be June.
OK... Glad you can count your months. Or are you seriously saying that Iran is now going to start moving forward with creating a nuclear bomb before June????

This would be a good deal if it was was with Canada ... but this Iran.
They dragged it out to get to this point.
And that sanction section is silly.
Yup. Its cuz OBAMA!

Once they get a weapon, wtf do they care about sanctions.
:roll:
 
This is not a treaty.

I don't think an executive agreement will accomplish what's going on here. Correct me if I'm wrong (like I have to ask :2razz:).
 
In his speech, Obama promised Iranian transparency. Hmmm........

Heya Crue. :2wave: Yeah BO said they promised transparency when he said. We can't simply tell Iran to dismantle their Nuke program. They wont listen anyways. That's not the way the World works.


 
I realize that. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of where liberals direct all their energy.

OK I am fine with that as I am sometimes a Liberal ( Human Rights) sometimes a conservative ( Fiscally) and a tad of a socialist when it comes to protecting / helping the weak and disadvantaged.
I am well aware that Congress if it smells a bad deal will impose their own sanctions. They have enough to override a veto- That would torpedo any deal.
Iran and Obama know this as do the rest of the P5 plus 1.
But if the others, who are closer than the US are OK with it, then we must wait. As the devil is in the details.

Some key points that Iran changed on is they wanted sanctions lifted immediately, bad deal, now they will be suspended. .
The other one is the UN sanctions will be revised to ensure no nuke technology/ sensitive teck is sold to Iran.
That means the new UN sanctions must be passed prior to lifting the original sanctions.
 
The article states: Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent for at least 15 years.

That's not the same as halting it.

20 % is the critical point- from there it is nothing to 90 % plus.
Hard part - time consuming is getting to the 20 % mark.
And inspections take care of that.
 
Heya JF. :2wave: Just enuff time for the Iranians to complete their agenda.

Well, one thing is for certain. Menendez the leading Democrat against BO's deal wont be there to speak out. He has been forced to step down.

Menendez on the 2nd post in this thread--who would have guessed--again?
You head what you wanted today--not what was said.
Sanctions cannot be removed for at least 3 months after the June deadline--and then only gradually--and then only with severely strict oversight.

But heh, Bibi and the GOP Bozos just say NO--hell NO--fear mongering and warmongering for the MIC .
 
If we REALLY think they're 2 or 3 months from building functioning nuclear weapons I don't think that there's anything we could do to stop them.


really?

you dont think if we had the resolve, we could stop that program?

a few bunker busters, and a few raids by seal teams with demo, and nothing would be left except ashes

but....we have to want to stop it......and it doesnt appear the man in charge wishes that

why? i dont know.....was hoping someone will eventually tell me why.....but maybe it is just above my pay grade
 
Here it is in its glory Jog. Bo says we got something.....we wont be going to war. He expressed that Congress should not take action. Looks like the Iranians are all full of grins. As this is described as informal for them.



Some in the media will call this a "deal." It's not. It's a face-saving, time-buying charade -- an implicit admission that years of repeatedly-extended negotiations have resulted in nothing concrete, with yet another deadline disappearing in the rearview mirror. Consider this tortured verbiage provided to the Associated Press:

Iran and six world powers have agreed on the outlines of an understanding to limit Iran's nuclear programs, officials told The Associated Press Thursday. Negotiations continued on a dispute over how much of it to make public. The officials spoke outside weeklong talks that have been twice extended past the March 31 deadline in an effort to formulate both a general statement of what has been accomplished and documents describing what needs to be done to meet a June 30 deadline for a final accord...The Iranians want any results from talks in the Swiss city of Lausanne described less as a deal and more of an informal understanding … Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who left Lausanne Tuesday, said the two sides were close, the Interfax news agency reported. There are "only a few steps left to take or, in some cases, even-half steps, and some things have already been agreed upon," he said. But as the talks dragged on, one Western official said early Thursday that they were "at a tough moment and the path forward is really unclear," adding that the idea of breaking talks off over Passover and Easter and resuming them next week had been informally raised. That was confirmed by another official...By blowing through self-imposed deadlines, President Barack Obama risks further antagonizing lawmakers in both parties who are poised to take their own action to upend a deal if they determine the administration has been too conciliatory.

So we have "outlines of an understanding" that allow the parties to keep on negotiating, with the Iranians (a) stressing that the agreement is informal and non-binding at this stage, and (b) lobbying to keep as many details -- to the extent that they exist at all -- private. The Guardian reports that this "understanding" will feature "secret parameters." So far, Iranian officials seem pretty excited about this "breakthrough:".....snip~

Buying Time: Iran Talks Produce Non-Binding 'Outlines of an Understanding' With Scant Details - Guy Benson

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

They were supposedly the supplicants, but they're making the rules? In six months they have agreed to nothing, but in one night everything important is resolved? We are not to know the details, though, and Congress is to take no action, but trust a deal of which they don't know the details? WTH is this?

Someone pointed out on another blog site a few days ago that if this deal were suddenly resolved, to look at the fact that Friday, April 3, 2015 is both the start of Passover for the Jews, and Good Friday for Christians and that is a very rare occurrence, so much so that the Catholic Church has moved Easter to the following week if they happen to coincide! Since the Arabs are big on making non-verbal statements - the Benghazi attack happened on the anniversary of 9-ll-2001 - I got a very bad chill when I read the news today, because Iran has so often stated that they wish death on both the US and Israel! :afraid: :eek:
 
The article states: Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent for at least 15 years.

That's not the same as halting it.

I clarified my remarks later in the post: "At many of their facilities that the P5+1 was most concerned about, they have agreed to halt."
 
really?

you dont think if we had the resolve, we could stop that program?

a few bunker busters, and a few raids by seal teams with demo, and nothing would be left except ashes

but....we have to want to stop it......and it doesnt appear the man in charge wishes that

why? i dont know.....was hoping someone will eventually tell me why.....but maybe it is just above my pay grade

Oh the can level -bomb the sites, then what?
 
Yes it does



"Iran’s breakout timeline – the time that it would take for Iran to acquire enough fissile
material for one weapon – is currently assessed to be 2 to 3 months. That timeline will be
extended to at least one year, for a duration of at least ten years, under this framework. "

--going from 2-3 months to ≥ 1 year is an extension--



--At many of their facilities that the P5+1 was most concerned about, they have agreed to halt.--
"Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium at its Fordow facility"
"Iran has agreed to not conduct research and development associated with uranium enrichment at Fordow"
" Iran will not build new enrichment facilities or heavy water reactors"



OK... Glad you can count your months. Or are you seriously saying that Iran is now going to start moving forward with creating a nuclear bomb before June????


Yup. Its cuz OBAMA!


:roll:



If you’re looking for good news, here you go: Starting at the bottom of page two, not only has Iran agreed to “regular access” by inspectors to all of its nuclear facilities, including the fortified plant inside the mountain at Fordo, but they’ve agreed to the IAEA’s “Additional Protocol,” which authorizes “snap inspections.” That had been a sticking point during the home stretch of the talks; eight days ago, Iran’s chief spokesman called snap inspections “illegal.” Unless there’s a legal wrinkle I’m missing, they ended up caving on that. They also supposedly agreed to let UN inspectors investigate suspected nuclear sites, not just sites that are already known. That’ll be useful when, not if, they eventually try to cheat by building covert enrichment sites under the IAEA’s nose. Iran, meanwhile, gets to sell this as a victory back home insofar as they haven’t agreed to close any site that’s already operating. (They have, however, agreed not to build any new ones, another important point when they inevitably try to cheat.) Even Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place, albeit as a monitored “research” facility with no uranium allowed on the premises......snip~



Looks like Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place. Despite being a research facility that they say no uranium will be allowed on the premises.
 
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