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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sanctions can't be re-imposed that easily. It would have to be a sheer outright public violation just for all to agree.
    Any interference with IAEA inspections would qualify as non compliance.
    http://www.armscontrol.org/files/Par...2015-04-02.pdf
    A dispute resolution process will be specified, which enables any JCPOA participant, to seek to resolve disagreements about the performance of JCPOA commitments.

    If an issue of significant non-performance cannot be resolved through that process
    then all previous UN sanctions could be reimposed.
    Important inspections and transparency measures will continue well beyond 15 years.
    Iran’s adherence to the Additional Protocol of the IAEA is permanent, including its significant access and transparency obligations.
    The robust inspections of Iran’s uranium supply chain will last for 25 years.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/wo...=top-news&_r=0
    Even two of the most skeptical experts on the negotiations — Gary Samore and Olli Heinonen of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard and members of a group call United Against Nuclear Iran — said they were impressed with the depth of detail.

    Mr. Samore, who was Mr. Obama’s top adviser on weapons of mass destruction in his first term as president, said in an email that there is “much detail to be negotiated but I think it’s enough to be called a political framework.” Just a day ago, that appeared in doubt.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal




    The Iranian delegation, led by the foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, only wants a vague joint statement, while the US secretary of state, John Kerry, needs to bring back specifics to Washington to convince Congress not to impose new sanctions.

    The compromise, say European diplomats, would be a joint statement of understanding and two or three pages of agreed “parameters” setting out points agreed by Iran and the six world powers taking part in the Lausanne talks. Those details would not be made public but would be briefed to governments and to Congress.

    The parameters would include Iran’s enrichment capacity and its allowed stockpile of enriched uranium. They would describe the redesign of Iran’s heavy-water reactor in Arak in such a way as to produce only tiny amounts of plutonium as a byproduct. But a few issues were still unresolved on Thursday morning. The main restrictions on Iran’s nuclear programme would last 10 years, but some would last for a few years beyond that, including curbs on Iran’s development work on new centrifuges. What kind of curbs and how long they would last remain a matter of dispute. So does the timing of the lifting of some UN sanctions, including an arms embargo and a ban on the transfer of dual-use technology.....snip~

    Iran nuclear talks inching towards joint statement, say European diplomats | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post


    The Iranian delegation, led by the foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, only wants a vague joint statement, while the US secretary of state, John Kerry, needs to bring back specifics to Washington to convince Congress not to impose new sanctions.

    The compromise, say European diplomats, would be a joint statement of understanding and two or three pages of agreed “parameters” setting out points agreed by Iran and the six world powers taking part in the Lausanne talks. Those details would not be made public but would be briefed to governments and to Congress.

    The parameters would include Iran’s enrichment capacity and its allowed stockpile of enriched uranium. They would describe the redesign of Iran’s heavy-water reactor in Arak in such a way as to produce only tiny amounts of plutonium as a byproduct. But a few issues were still unresolved on Thursday morning. The main restrictions on Iran’s nuclear programme would last 10 years, but some would last for a few years beyond that, including curbs on Iran’s development work on new centrifuges. What kind of curbs and how long they would last remain a matter of dispute. So does the timing of the lifting of some UN sanctions, including an arms embargo and a ban on the transfer of dual-use technology.....snip~

    Iran nuclear talks inching towards joint statement, say European diplomats | World news | The Guardian
    Iran needs this more than the US. Iran knows that Obama must have points clearly laid out in order to prevent further sanctions imposed by Congress.


    Inspectors will have access to the supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program
    The new transparency and inspections mechanisms will closely monitor materials and/or components to
    prevent diversion to a secret program
    However, core provisions in the UN Security Council resolutions those that deal with
    transfers of sensitive technologies and activities –will be re-established by a new UN
    Security Council resolution that will endorse the JCPOA and urge its full implementation
    It will also create the procurement channel mentioned above, which will serve as a key transparency measure.
    Important restrictions on conventional arms and ballistic missiles, as well as provisions that allow for
    related cargo inspections and asset freezes, will also be incorporated by this new resolution–
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Any deal that makes Dick Cheney and his neocon minions sad is a good day.

    How amazing that the Far Right will be unable to credit Obama for doing what no president, including their messiah, Ronald Reagan, since Jimmy Carter has done. But it doesn't matter, because Obama did it not because of the Far Right, but in spite of the Far Right. Their tears are delicious.
    You forgot the Carter years

    Iran taking more than 60 Americans hostage. "From the moment the hostages were seized until they were released minutes after Ronald Reagan took the oath of office as president 444 days later,"
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
    Obama's legacy - Total Failure

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Unfortunately for us and for the world, we are witnessing a replay of the Chamberlain saga, with 'peace in our times'. We all know what happened afterwards, and post WWII we all thought that this lesson has been learned

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If we REALLY think they're 2 or 3 months from building functioning nuclear weapons I don't think that there's anything we could do to stop them.
    Could do, or would do? The U.S. could destroy every facility in Iran's nuclear weapons program, with all its ballistic missile facilities thrown in for good measure, in a few days of bombing, without too much risk to our planes or pilots. One careful analysis I have seen concluded that the heavy water facility at Arak, for example, could be destroyed by a couple planes and several well-placed bombs. And a couple B-2's with a few 30,000 lb. bombs could demolish even the centrifuge gallery buried 200 feet below ground at Fordow. But portraying an Iranian atom bomb as something the U.S. is powerless to stop does create a convenient excuse for throwing up our hands and doing nothing.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Any deal that makes Dick Cheney and his neocon minions sad is a good day.

    How amazing that the Far Right will be unable to credit Obama for doing what no president, including their messiah, Ronald Reagan, since Jimmy Carter has done. But it doesn't matter, because Obama did it not because of the Far Right, but in spite of the Far Right. Their tears are delicious.
    I will give Obama credit. He helped get tough sanctions on Iran that brought them to the bargaining table. Is it good that we are talking to them after 35 years of bad blood? Yes. The problem here is that there really is no deal yet, so celebration is a bit premature. They seem to even disagree on the details of what was tentatively agreed upon. Serious differences remain that have to be worked out by the end of June. There is no guarantee a formal deal will happen, or that that deal will be worth anything, and certainly no guarantee Iran will live up to its end of any bargain. So I am not sure what exactly to give Obama credit for at this point.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes it does



    "Iran’s breakout timeline – the time that it would take for Iran to acquire enough fissile
    material for one weapon – is currently assessed to be 2 to 3 months. That timeline will be
    extended to at least one year, for a duration of at least ten years, under this framework. "

    --going from 2-3 months to ≥ 1 year is an extension--



    --At many of their facilities that the P5+1 was most concerned about, they have agreed to halt.--
    "Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium at its Fordow facility"
    "Iran has agreed to not conduct research and development associated with uranium enrichment at Fordow"
    " Iran will not build new enrichment facilities or heavy water reactors"



    OK... Glad you can count your months. Or are you seriously saying that Iran is now going to start moving forward with creating a nuclear bomb before June????


    Yup. Its cuz OBAMA!


    There's no evidence they've stopped.
    Zarif called Obama & Kerry a couple of liars.
    Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement | Washington Free Beacon
    Granted, normally you'd think that he's just talking s**t for his domestic consumption but he's directly contradicting them on details.
    And yes, their overriding goal is to get the weapon and they've been doing it for a very long time.
    There's no other reason they'd be playing this game.
    Their standing changes entirely if they get the bomb.
    Better never than late.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    It is very good news that they have come to an agreement. There is hope for the human race after all.

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