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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea. Also more good news. "Almost two-thirds of Fordow’s centrifuges and infrastructure will be removed." The ones that are allowed to stay are to be inspected, ensured that they are for research only, and inspected whenever the international community wants.


    Yeah, but that's not what you said in your other post about Fordo. So you were wrong. Centrifuges will continue to spin. Oh and Uranium not being on the Premises, isn't a difficult problem to get around.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Outstanding post MMC--until this part:
    Why is that Nimby? You don't know whats missing from the talks and was a vocal point just recently?

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    If you’re looking for good news, here you go: Starting at the bottom of page two, not only has Iran agreed to “regular access” by inspectors to all of its nuclear facilities, including the fortified plant inside the mountain at Fordo, but they’ve agreed to the IAEA’s “Additional Protocol,” which authorizes “snap inspections.” That had been a sticking point during the home stretch of the talks; eight days ago, Iran’s chief spokesman called snap inspections “illegal.” Unless there’s a legal wrinkle I’m missing, they ended up caving on that. They also supposedly agreed to let UN inspectors investigate suspected nuclear sites, not just sites that are already known. That’ll be useful when, not if, they eventually try to cheat by building covert enrichment sites under the IAEA’s nose. Iran, meanwhile, gets to sell this as a victory back home insofar as they haven’t agreed to close any site that’s already operating. (They have, however, agreed not to build any new ones, another important point when they inevitably try to cheat.) Even Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place, albeit as a monitored “research” facility with no uranium allowed on the premises......snip~



    Looks like Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place. Despite being a research facility that they say no uranium will be allowed on the premises.
    Where does it say that?

    In any case, we've been using centrifuges for bio-medical research for years. While I understand the skepticism where Iran is concerned, the only way we'll know for sure that they are using their centrifuges for the same thing - bio-medical research - is to be able to test/inspect on a regular basis.

    Just as the U.S. and the world gave Russia a chance to prove that they would scale back their nuclear weapons production, the same "trust but verify" framework needs to be allowed to go forward with Iran. Otherwise, how would you know they're holding true to the agreement?

    From the OP article:

    According to European officials, roughly 5,000 centrifuges will remain spinning enriched uranium at the main nuclear site at Natanz, about half the number currently running. The giant underground enrichment site at Fordo — which Israeli and some American officials fear is impervious to bombing — will be partly converted to advanced nuclear research and the production of medical isotopes. Foreign scientists will be present. There will be no fissile material present that could be used to make a bomb.

    A major reactor at Arak, which officials feared could produce plutonium, would operate on a limited basis that would not provide enough fuel for a bomb.

    In return, the European Union and the United States would begin to lift sanctions, as Iran complied.
    That last part should prove to satisfy most folks. It's not a full, immediate lifting of the sanctions. It will be gradual as originally agreed on as Iran comes more and more into compliance.

    Should the framework for an agreement as addressed above remains in place, I think most people could live with that.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, but that's not what you said in your other post about Fordo. So you were wrong.
    Centrifuges have more use than just to enrich uranium, and this is stated in the agreement. "Iran has agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. Iran will go from having about 19,000 installed today to 6,104 installed under the deal, with only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years. All 6,104 centrifuges will be IR-1s, Iran’s first-generation centrifuge". It can use them, but it cannot use them to enrich uranium at Fordow

    Centrifuges will continue to spin.
    Yup, under constant and, "All centrifuges and related infrastructure will be placed under IAEA monitoring"

    Oh and Uranium not being on the Premises, isn't a difficult problem to get around.
    Yes it is. Especially when the international community is constantly watching you.


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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    that puts them back to square one is what

    they have to start all over again

    might they eventually get the bomb if we did that? maybe.....but it wouldnt be anytime soon

    and dont you know....kicking the can down the road is what we do best

    putting off problems to the next generation
    Sanctions brought them to the table. Then factor in how often the West interfered in Iran.
    So not much love between the 2 groups. Like Regan said- trust but verify.
    The Iranian economy has cratered.
    If the mess up, sanctions can be reimposed.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    At the cost of how many hundreds of thousands of Israeli lives?

    If Israel wants to go after Iran in a big way (i.e. militarily eliminate their capacity for nuclear research/production) I don't think we have any right to stop them.

    But if Israel REALLY wanted to go after Iran I doubt very much that anyone would be able to stop them.

    Despite the means and the constant sabre rattling there's a reason they haven't (and it probably has a lot to do with the fact that their missile defense system is still entirely insufficient to deal with the missile/rocket threat that Iran poses to their population centers).

    None at the time.....Iran would be to busy looking to save their own. Especially at their alleged hidden facility in Tehran too.

    Moreover the Saud and the Sunni would want to get in.....make sure the Shia knows about a little payback. Truthfully Israel could sit it out and enjoy the show, if we were to jump.

    Still Iran knows it would get wiped off the map if we so desired to make it happen. Which is why its absurd to think they would want to declare any type of War.

    BO was making to much out of that. Deflecting from all the money that can be made by businesses all around the World, just with opening Iran up for business.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Will Iran also stop big-time funding of terrorism, or wasn't that little detail discussed at any time in the past months and months of negotiations? :
    That is a side issue.
    Same as the US can tackle the Iranian proxies in the ME.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Where does it say that?

    In any case, we've been using centrifuges for bio-medical research for years. While I understand the skepticism where Iran is concerned, the only way we'll know for sure that they are using their centrifuges for the same thing - bio-medical research - is to be able to test/inspect on a regular basis.

    Just as the U.S. and the world gave Russia a chance to prove that they would scale back their nuclear weapons production, the same "trust but verify" framework needs to be allowed to go forward with Iran. Otherwise, how would you know they're holding true to the agreement?

    From the OP article:



    That last part should prove to satisfy most folks. It's not a full, immediate lifting of the sanctions. It will be gradual as originally agreed on as Iran comes more and more into compliance.

    Should the framework for an agreement as addressed above remains in place, I think most people could live with that.


    Right here on Page one of the fact sheet. Do note what it says about Fordo. Did you want to dispute it didn't say that they would keep Fordo up and going?


    Fact sheet from State Department: Parameters of plan on Iran nuclear program - The Washington Post


    So now tell us......whats it say about Iran's Current Stockpile of low grade uranium? Where is that going to be now?

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Sanctions brought them to the table. Then factor in how often the West interfered in Iran.
    So not much love between the 2 groups. Like Regan said- trust but verify.
    The Iranian economy has cratered.
    If the mess up, sanctions can be reimposed.


    Sanctions can't be re-imposed that easily. It would have to be a sheer outright public violation just for all to agree.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    None at the time.....Iran would be to busy looking to save their own. Especially at their alleged hidden facility in Tehran too.

    Moreover the Saud and the Sunni would want to get in.....make sure the Shia knows about a little payback. Truthfully Israel could sit it out and enjoy the show, if we were to jump.

    Still Iran knows it would get wiped off the map if we so desired to make it happen. Which is why its absurd to think they would want to declare any type of War.

    BO was making to much out of that. Deflecting from all the money that can be made by businesses all around the World, just with opening Iran up for business.
    The entire world has been against this deal from day one. What has changed? We don't even know the details yet, and I do question that, but why the secrecy? Iran sees "progress?" What have we
    promised to Iran? Are any of the foreign newspapers from the countries involved in the talks explaining things to their people?

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