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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Oh the can level -bomb the sites, then what?

    that puts them back to square one is what

    they have to start all over again

    might they eventually get the bomb if we did that? maybe.....but it wouldnt be anytime soon

    and dont you know....kicking the can down the road is what we do best

    putting off problems to the next generation
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Oh!

    A pissing match between pundits!

    Generally makes for sound foreign policy.

    Oh, come on, It's Pat Buchanan. You know, Pat Bucha.......





    never mind
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Any deal that makes Dick Cheney and his neocon minions sad is a good day.

    How amazing that the Far Right will be unable to credit Obama for doing what no president, including their messiah, Ronald Reagan, since Jimmy Carter has done. But it doesn't matter, because Obama did it not because of the Far Right, but in spite of the Far Right. Their tears are delicious.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Moreover if we jumped.....then there will be a few others.
    At the cost of how many hundreds of thousands of Israeli lives?

    If Israel wants to go after Iran in a big way (i.e. militarily eliminate their capacity for nuclear research/production) I don't think we have any right to stop them.

    But if Israel REALLY wanted to go after Iran I doubt very much that anyone would be able to stop them.

    Despite the means and the constant sabre rattling there's a reason they haven't (and it probably has a lot to do with the fact that their missile defense system is still entirely insufficient to deal with the missile/rocket threat that Iran poses to their population centers).
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    If you’re looking for good news, here you go: Starting at the bottom of page two, not only has Iran agreed to “regular access” by inspectors to all of its nuclear facilities, including the fortified plant inside the mountain at Fordo, but they’ve agreed to the IAEA’s “Additional Protocol,” which authorizes “snap inspections.” That had been a sticking point during the home stretch of the talks; eight days ago, Iran’s chief spokesman called snap inspections “illegal.” Unless there’s a legal wrinkle I’m missing, they ended up caving on that. They also supposedly agreed to let UN inspectors investigate suspected nuclear sites, not just sites that are already known. That’ll be useful when, not if, they eventually try to cheat by building covert enrichment sites under the IAEA’s nose. Iran, meanwhile, gets to sell this as a victory back home insofar as they haven’t agreed to close any site that’s already operating. (They have, however, agreed not to build any new ones, another important point when they inevitably try to cheat.) Even Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place, albeit as a monitored “research” facility with no uranium allowed on the premises......snip~



    Looks like Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place. Despite being a research facility that they say no uranium will be allowed on the premises.
    Will Iran also stop big-time funding of terrorism, or wasn't that little detail discussed at any time in the past months and months of negotiations? :

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Menendez on the 2nd post in this thread--who would have guessed--again?
    You head what you wanted today--not what was said.
    Sanctions cannot be removed for at least 3 months after the June deadline--and then only gradually--and then only with severely strict oversight.

    But heh, Bibi and the GOP Bozos just say NO--hell NO--fear mongering and warmongering for the MIC .

    That was BO standing up there saying that it is either his deal or go to War. Wasn't hard to miss in the video.

    Yeah sanctions can be eased off and there is the threat of snapback sanctions. But then first you would have to know about how that process works. Which isn't saying much.




    As for sanctions, they’re not lifted “immediately.” The IAEA first has to verify that Iran has met all of its obligations on centrifuges, Fordo, inspections, and its reactor at Arak before sanctions are lifted. If at any point down the road Iran violates the deal, “snapback sanctions” will go into effect. Which sounds nice until you grasp the politics of what that would mean:

    Politically, at the U.S., EU, and UNSC levels, respectively, there would have to be agreement that there is sufficient evidence of Iranian non-compliance to warrant a decision to reinstate the sanctions. There are bound to be significant disputes on the evidence, differing assessments of the seriousness of infractions, fierce debates about the appropriate level of response, and concerns about Iranian retaliation. The snapback is equally challenging to implement given the economic realities that will follow a nuclear deal. International sanctions took years before a critical mass of international companies terminated their business ties with Tehran. Once loosened, with so many international companies positioning to get back into Iran, it will be difficult to persuade these companies to leave again, especially as Western companies, and their lobby groups, will argue that Chinese, Russian, Turkish, and other less cooperative countries are bound to backfill if they do.

    Realistically, once sanctions go bye-bye they’re not coming back unless Iran flouts the terms of the agreement in an unusually visible, undeniable way. Which it won’t.....snip~




    Whats missing from the deal Nimby. Do you even have a clue as to what it was?

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Will Iran also stop big-time funding of terrorism, or wasn't that little detail discussed at any time in the past months and months of negotiations? :
    According to the link provided by TDS:

    U.S. sanctions on Iran for terrorism, human rights abuses, and ballistic missiles will remain in place under the deal.
    So that appears to be a whole nuther deal.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    If you’re looking for good news, here you go: Starting at the bottom of page two, not only has Iran agreed to “regular access” by inspectors to all of its nuclear facilities, including the fortified plant inside the mountain at Fordo, but they’ve agreed to the IAEA’s “Additional Protocol,” which authorizes “snap inspections.” That had been a sticking point during the home stretch of the talks; eight days ago, Iran’s chief spokesman called snap inspections “illegal.” Unless there’s a legal wrinkle I’m missing, they ended up caving on that. They also supposedly agreed to let UN inspectors investigate suspected nuclear sites, not just sites that are already known. That’ll be useful when, not if, they eventually try to cheat by building covert enrichment sites under the IAEA’s nose. Iran, meanwhile, gets to sell this as a victory back home insofar as they haven’t agreed to close any site that’s already operating. (They have, however, agreed not to build any new ones, another important point when they inevitably try to cheat.) Even Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place, albeit as a monitored “research” facility with no uranium allowed on the premises......snip~



    Looks like Fordo will keep operating with centrifuges in place. Despite being a research facility that they say no uranium will be allowed on the premises.
    Yea. Also more good news. "Almost two-thirds of Fordow’s centrifuges and infrastructure will be removed." The ones that are allowed to stay are to be inspected, ensured that they are for research only, and inspected whenever the international community wants.


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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Will Iran also stop big-time funding of terrorism, or wasn't that little detail discussed at any time in the past months and months of negotiations? :
    If that was part of negotiations, then literally we would of gone nowhere. Iran would ask of us the same thing, "will you stop supporting organizations we consider terrorist organizations as well?". We would be stuck back in 2002-2003 still if that was apart of the negotiations.


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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Outstanding post MMC--until this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Whats missing from the deal Nimby. Do you even have a clue as to what it was?
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