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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If we REALLY think they're 2 or 3 months from building functioning nuclear weapons I don't think that there's anything we could do to stop them.
    In the words of Pat Buchanan "We could take care of Iran in an afternoon."
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I want to read the text. At the moment it looks like we do not know enough. But so far there is no indication of a sufficient deal.

    Here it is in its glory Jog. Bo says we got something.....we wont be going to war. He expressed that Congress should not take action. Looks like the Iranians are all full of grins. As this is described as informal for them.



    Some in the media will call this a "deal." It's not. It's a face-saving, time-buying charade -- an implicit admission that years of repeatedly-extended negotiations have resulted in nothing concrete, with yet another deadline disappearing in the rearview mirror. Consider this tortured verbiage provided to the Associated Press:

    Iran and six world powers have agreed on the outlines of an understanding to limit Iran's nuclear programs, officials told The Associated Press Thursday. Negotiations continued on a dispute over how much of it to make public. The officials spoke outside weeklong talks that have been twice extended past the March 31 deadline in an effort to formulate both a general statement of what has been accomplished and documents describing what needs to be done to meet a June 30 deadline for a final accord...The Iranians want any results from talks in the Swiss city of Lausanne described less as a deal and more of an informal understanding … Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who left Lausanne Tuesday, said the two sides were close, the Interfax news agency reported. There are "only a few steps left to take or, in some cases, even-half steps, and some things have already been agreed upon," he said. But as the talks dragged on, one Western official said early Thursday that they were "at a tough moment and the path forward is really unclear," adding that the idea of breaking talks off over Passover and Easter and resuming them next week had been informally raised. That was confirmed by another official...By blowing through self-imposed deadlines, President Barack Obama risks further antagonizing lawmakers in both parties who are poised to take their own action to upend a deal if they determine the administration has been too conciliatory.

    So we have "outlines of an understanding" that allow the parties to keep on negotiating, with the Iranians (a) stressing that the agreement is informal and non-binding at this stage, and (b) lobbying to keep as many details -- to the extent that they exist at all -- private. The Guardian reports that this "understanding" will feature "secret parameters." So far, Iranian officials seem pretty excited about this "breakthrough:".....snip~

    Buying Time: Iran Talks Produce Non-Binding 'Outlines of an Understanding' With Scant Details - Guy Benson

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/wo...=top-news&_r=0



    Hmm, another 3 months.
    Sanctions lifted as Iran complies?? Interesting - Complies to what?
    What will Congress think?
    The Senate has to ratify it to become law.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If we REALLY think they're 2 or 3 months from building functioning nuclear weapons I don't think that there's anything we could do to stop them.
    That's what BO said.....that they were 2-3months away. Oh and we could stop them.....and there isn't much they can do about it. Also, no nukes would be required. Does it sound like BO is scared to go to war? We do know he has a major problem when having to deal with violence in his life.

    Moreover if we jumped.....then there will be a few others. One can see how those Sunni Allies would luv to rain down On the Shia.....in Iran!

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

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    The Senate has to ratify it to become law.
    Heya American. What can the Senate ratify with an informal deal? Did you mean after they get a deal in June?

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Here is the actual deal: http://www.armscontrol.org/files/Par...2015-04-02.pdf
    I dont see how this is a bad deal. A lot of international oversight, implementing certain restrictions, reducing centrifuges, extending the "breakout time", agreeing to halt enrichment, allowing IAEA access to all nuclear facilities, inspectors to all uranium mines, redesigning Arak to ensure that its not used for weapon purposes, halting and not building any new enrichment facilities or heavy water reactors... I mean I dont see how this is a bad thing.. But then again many here would state even if Iran said, "we will blow up all our nuclear facilities" they would not accept that as a deal simply because of OBAMA!!!
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/wo...=top-news&_r=0



    Hmm, another 3 months.
    Sanctions lifted as Iran complies?? Interesting - Complies to what?
    What will Congress think?
    Congress is the only one that has the power to lift or modify the sanctions.

    Or Iran can by:

    (1) released all political prisoners and detainees; (2) ceased its practices of violence and abuse of Iranian citizens engaging in peaceful political activity; (3) conducted a transparent investigation into the killings and abuse of peaceful political activists in Iran and prosecuted those responsible; and (4) made progress toward establishing an independent judiciary.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

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    Heya American. What can the Senate ratify with an informal deal? Did you mean after they get a deal in June?
    I meant a signed treaty.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I meant a signed treaty.
    Oh so when they reached the deal agreement in June. Yeah they can sign it then.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Senate has to ratify it to become law.
    No they do not.
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    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
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