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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's not what the Iranian said....as Don Southerland already had up. ;
    Sure..and Bibi stated there would not be two states as long as he's Prime Minister and soon after getting elected backtracked heavily. National leaders posture. While Reagan was giving the "tear down this wall" speech he was working with the Russian government. The only thing that matters is what is in the deal and if the 5+1 group believes that Iran is adhering to the deal. If not, they will put into place sanctions. As long as the 5+1 refuse to lift sanctions until Iran proves itself then the final agreement will never be signed.

    At the end of the day, this deal has the most potential to set back the Iranian nuclear program than anything done other than a bombing campaign.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That Israel wants regime change in Iran, yes.
    That's a given, we do too. The Iranian people want that regime gone. Everyone except Obama that is.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure..and Bibi stated there would not be two states as long as he's Prime Minister and soon after getting elected backtracked heavily. National leaders posture. While Reagan was giving the "tear down this wall" speech he was working with the Russian government. The only thing that matters is what is in the deal and if the 5+1 group believes that Iran is adhering to the deal. If not, they will put into place sanctions. As long as the 5+1 refuse to lift sanctions until Iran proves itself then the final agreement will never be signed.

    At the end of the day, this deal has the most potential to set back the Iranian nuclear program than anything done other than a bombing campaign.

    Which still gives them their nuke if no agreement is signed.....it also will allow the Saud, the Egyptians, and others to begin their nuke programs. As they have already stated they will have what Iran will.



    Outstanding Problems and Concerns:

    Well, let's start with Iranian officials' various triumphant pronouncements, including throwing serious shade at the State Department's "fact sheet," which is dismissed as "spin." Which of its elements does Tehran view as illegitimate or misleading? One supposes that Kerry and company will find out in the next few months, as the nuclear clock ticks away, of course:




    Let's also recall that a major reason that additional sanctions were slapped on Iran in the first place is that they were caught cheating on another international nuclear treaty -- because that's what they do. They cheat. The State Department's fact sheet assures us that even when various provisions of the new would-be deal expire, Iran would still be bound by that same treaty (NPT) it has already breached. In an attempt to fortify the mullah's good intentions on the nuclear front, Obama cited a religious order, or "fatwa," issued by Ayatollah Khamenei that forbids nuclear weapons. Two problems: The fatwa doesn't actually exist, and Iran has a history of ignoring their own fatwas in order to achieve their military goals. Obama's reference to this nonexistence edict is misleading and naive......snip~

    Revealed: What You Need to Know About the Iranian Nuclear 'Framework' - Guy Benson

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Which still gives them their nuke if no agreement is signed.....it also will allow the Saud, the Egyptians, and others to begin their nuke programs. As they have already stated they will have what Iran will.



    Outstanding Problems and Concerns:

    Well, let's start with Iranian officials' various triumphant pronouncements, including throwing serious shade at the State Department's "fact sheet," which is dismissed as "spin." Which of its elements does Tehran view as illegitimate or misleading? One supposes that Kerry and company will find out in the next few months, as the nuclear clock ticks away, of course:




    Let's also recall that a major reason that additional sanctions were slapped on Iran in the first place is that they were caught cheating on another international nuclear treaty -- because that's what they do. They cheat. The State Department's fact sheet assures us that even when various provisions of the new would-be deal expire, Iran would still be bound by that same treaty (NPT) it has already breached. In an attempt to fortify the mullah's good intentions on the nuclear front, Obama cited a religious order, or "fatwa," issued by Ayatollah Khamenei that forbids nuclear weapons. Two problems: The fatwa doesn't actually exist, and Iran has a history of ignoring their own fatwas in order to achieve their military goals. Obama's reference to this nonexistence edict is misleading and naive......snip~

    Revealed: What You Need to Know About the Iranian Nuclear 'Framework' - Guy Benson
    At the end of the day...the agreement depends on Iran and the 5+1 agreeing to the terms. Iran can say whatever they want frankly, it's actions that matter. I'm not sure how the "nuclear clock is ticking away" as we are in the same exact position now that we'd be if the agreement wasn't being worked on...

    As for the additional sanctions...I remember that time. The reason we have additional sanctions is Pres Obama pushed heavily for them while Bibi and Republicans were talking red lines and bombings. The President pushed for a less drastic measure and lo and behold...we got what we wanted without dropping bombs.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    At the end of the day...the agreement depends on Iran and the 5+1 agreeing to the terms. Iran can say whatever they want frankly, it's actions that matter. I'm not sure how the "nuclear clock is ticking away" as we are in the same exact position now that we'd be if the agreement wasn't being worked on...

    As for the additional sanctions...I remember that time. The reason we have additional sanctions is Pres Obama pushed heavily for them while Bibi and Republicans were talking red lines and bombings. The President pushed for a less drastic measure and lo and behold...we got what we wanted without dropping bombs.


    Not quite.....BO was resisting those sanctions. Underlined takes you to that link showing where BO had difficulties.


    Finally, a few notes on President Obama's Rose Garden remarks, after which he took no questions: He gave a short history lesson about recent US-Iranian relations, correctly stating that stepped-up sanctions hurt Iran's economy and forced them to the negotiating table. He didn't mentioned that he'd strenuously resisted those very sanctions. This is a reflection on his judgment. Obama went on to claim that the current interim agreement has worked flawlessly, despite cynics' complaints when it was unveiled. This brag ignores an inconvenient little "mishap" that we oughtn't worry about.....snip~

    Menendez livid at Obama team

    That mishap is shown too.

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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not quite.....BO was resisting those sanctions. Underlined takes you to that link showing where BO had difficulties.


    Finally, a few notes on President Obama's Rose Garden remarks, after which he took no questions: He gave a short history lesson about recent US-Iranian relations, correctly stating that stepped-up sanctions hurt Iran's economy and forced them to the negotiating table. He didn't mentioned that he'd strenuously resisted those very sanctions. This is a reflection on his judgment. Obama went on to claim that the current interim agreement has worked flawlessly, despite cynics' complaints when it was unveiled. This brag ignores an inconvenient little "mishap" that we oughtn't worry about.....snip~

    Menendez livid at Obama team

    That mishap is shown too.
    The sanctions were pushed by Obama. What he didn't agree to was the specific wording in the amendment. The fact is, Obama and the administration has worked through the UN to institute very broad and sweeping sanctions. Congress didn't do that.
    Corker said Congress dragged Obama "kicking and screaming" to put sanctions on Iran | PolitiFact

    Congress speaks for the United States but Obama is the one that has to win over partners. A US only sanction on Iran is meaningless. It was Obama that brought in other countries and got support to institute the sanctions that now are credited to bringing Iran to the table.



    "The Obama administration has supported tougher sanctions against Iran consistently," Jeffrey said. "But on this or any other issue it will push for maximum flexibility with the Congress. Thanks to that pushing, it got authority to waive or suspend sanctions based on either countries' reducing oil imports, or a presidential national security waiver — not yet used, but probably necessary to uphold the ‘First Step’ (Geneva) agreement. Without — repeat — without these modifications, to the initial congressional effort, it would have been much more difficult to mobilize the international community."
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That's a given, we do too. The Iranian people want that regime gone. Everyone except Obama that is.
    That's funny. You think Obama is the only one on earth that's not interested in Iranian regime change? Btw, Iran has called for Israeli regime change as well, though the nut bars call it erasing the nation.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's funny. You think Obama is the only one on earth that's not interested in Iranian regime change? Btw, Iran has called for Israeli regime change as well, though the nut bars call it erasing the nation.
    Well, at least you agree they are nuts. Obama stood bye and refused to back the people in 2009 when there was some "unrest". But, he is at the ready to unclench our terrible fist and give the regime a life line. Won't deal with the people when they need help, but he's there to make a nuke deal with the dictatorship. I'm just going by his actions, since what he says is worthless.
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The sanctions were pushed by Obama. What he didn't agree to was the specific wording in the amendment. The fact is, Obama and the administration has worked through the UN to institute very broad and sweeping sanctions. Congress didn't do that.
    Corker said Congress dragged Obama "kicking and screaming" to put sanctions on Iran | PolitiFact

    Congress speaks for the United States but Obama is the one that has to win over partners. A US only sanction on Iran is meaningless. It was Obama that brought in other countries and got support to institute the sanctions that now are credited to bringing Iran to the table.


    So much for BO peeps words and anything he had to say. Do you think you can get him out of his own words here now?


    WaPo: The Iran deal is a cave — by Obama’s own standards


    The Washington Post editorial board embarrassed itself yesterday, but today they score a direct hit on Barack Obama and the deal he cut to escape the vigilance required to contain Iran. The editors remind readers about the principles that the US — and Obama himself — insisted on having in any deal with Tehran to end sanctions over their nuclear-weapons program. Even off of Obama’s own demands, made just three years ago, yesterday’s agreement in principles is an unmitigated defeat:


    WaPo: The Iran deal is a cave — by Obama’s own standards « Hot Air
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    Re: E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, at least you agree they are nuts. Obama stood bye and refused to back the people in 2009 when there was some "unrest". But, he is at the ready to unclench our terrible fist and give the regime a life line. Won't deal with the people when they need help, but he's there to make a nuke deal with the dictatorship. I'm just going by his actions, since what he says is worthless.
    Yes, the guys claiming that Iran's call for Israeli regime change are calling for the inhalation of the nation of Israel are nuts. And what was Obama suppose to do with Iran in 2009, interfere in a sovereign nations internal affairs. Hasn't there been enough interference in USFP?
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