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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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See, that's the problem, is that you won't name what religions you are talking about, along with recent examples of their attempts at human sacrifice as I asked...You only come back with vague references to either religions centuries past, or some reference to witches and warlocks, as if that meets the parameters of "main stream religion" in the United States....Face it, you have NOTHING.

Because it isn't necessary for such a thing to be recent or to be something commonly practiced, just to be a belief. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that the religion must be "mainstream" for a person to be protected to practice that religion.
 
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Because it isn't necessary for such a thing to be recent or to be something commonly practiced, just to be a belief. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that the religion must be "mainstream" for a person to be protected to practice that religion.

Now you're just looking silly....You've already lost that portion of the argument, now you are just trying to desperately deflect, and change the goalposts....Move on.
 
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Although the focus has been on the many ways the various Religious Freedom bills will affect LGBT Americans, we really should be looking at their affect on women's rights.

Here is just one recent case

In Georgia, for example, a pharmacist can refuse to sell a woman a drug, even for non-abortive reasons, if the drug might be used for abortive purposes on occasion.

That’s what happened to Brittany Cartrett, who miscarried when she was only around five or six weeks along.

“So we made the decision to not do a D&C and to get a medicine. So he said I’m going to give you this medicine, you’ll take it, and it will help you to pass naturally so that you don’t have to go the more invasive route,” said Brittany Cartrett.

Source: WGXA.TV
However, when the doctor called the prescription in to the Walmart pharmacy, he was told no. No reason was given but the drug, Misoprostol, can also induce abortions.

Walmart is standing behind the pharmacist, Sandip Patel. It’s been Georgia law for 15 years that pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions out of personal belief.

I wonder if the pharmacist is a recent convert to Christianity as the name is obviously from India.

Walmart said when asked about the refusal, ". . . we encourage them to exercise their professional judgment in . . ." making decisions about filling a prescription. This was not a "professional judgment", in my opinion, it was a religious one.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Although the focus has been on the many ways the various Religious Freedom bills will affect LGBT Americans, we really should be looking at their affect on women's rights.

Here is just one recent case



I wonder if the pharmacist is a recent convert to Christianity as the name is obviously from India.

Walmart said when asked about the refusal, ". . . we encourage them to exercise their professional judgment in . . ." making decisions about filling a prescription. This was not a "professional judgment", in my opinion, it was a religious one.

Oh the horror....:shock: So, go to another pharmacy....My goodness...Why do you feel the need to force people to do something?
 
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Oh the horror....:shock: So, go to another pharmacy....My goodness...Why do you feel the need to force people to do something?

She didn't even have to go to another pharmacy. The doctor called it in to another pharmacy after the WalMart guy said no.

In other words, BFD. :roll:
 
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Except I never said "Christians commit human sacrifice". That is some weird strawman you made up.

No, you are arguing that since you can't murder a person for religious reasons you can't refuse to make someone a cake due to your religion. It really isn't that much of an improvement over j-mac's interpretation.
 
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I wonder if the pharmacist is a recent convert to Christianity as the name is obviously from India.

Oh brother, stereotype much?
 
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These are liberals?

No way.

There is so much hate in this push back.

I know, but I still feel obligated to call them on it.

I mean there have been Indian Catholics since the 1300s (assigned an Archdiocese in the 1500s) and the Protestant missions began is the 1700s... but since the guy is an Indian he must be a convert? :roll:
 
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I know, but I still feel obligated to call them on it.

I mean there have been Indian Catholics since the 1300s (assigned an Archdiocese in the 1500s) and the Protestant missions began is the 1700s... but since the guy is an Indian he must be a convert? :roll:

I served on my church council with two Indians who were at least five generations Christian.

But my point is what I am seeing is thew real stereotype is the self claimed "liberals" themselves...behaving as belligerent bigots from death threats to racist bull**** like this, supposedly traits of the "American war mongering right wing racist woman hating conspiracy"
 
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I served on my church council with two Indians who were at least five generations Christian.

But my point is what I am seeing is thew real stereotype is the self claimed "liberals" themselves...behaving as belligerent bigots from death threats to racist bull**** like this, supposedly traits of the "American war mongering right wing racist woman hating conspiracy"
That's why genuine 'Liberals' have abandoned the leftists and moved over to the more 'Conservative' side. There is simply too much hate and politicization on the left for everyone to try and get along with each other.

Hillary Clinton's comments on the SC shooting reflect that 'divide and conquer' attitude. It may be good politically but it's bad for the country.
 
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That's why genuine 'Liberals' have abandoned the leftists and moved over to the more 'Conservative' side. There is simply too much hate and politicization on the left for everyone to try and get along with each other.

Hillary Clinton's comments on the SC shooting reflect that 'divide and conquer' attitude. It may be good politically but it's bad for the country.


Being that I am a liberal and have been I am disgusted by ALL of this.

You made headlines here with death threats, and gay and lesbian groups condemned it. And we have had gay weddings for a decade and a half with no problems.

"Liberal" is conservative in my view, from this vantage point, I have far more in common with American conservatives than anything "liberal" with but a few differences not the least of which is UHC.

You can absolutely count on Hillary to do the politically expedient, it was her husband's trade mark and Obama made it a personal obsession.
 
If gay people wants to refuse to put ‘hateful’ messages on something, they should have that right.
If Muslims want to refuse putting cartoons of Muhammad on a poster, they should have that right.
If black Americans want to refuse putting images of the KKK on materials, they should have the right to do that.
If Christians who disagree with gay marriage don’t want to endorse messages that support it, they should have that right.
 
If gay people wants to refuse to put ‘hateful’ messages on something, they should have that right.
If Muslims want to refuse putting cartoons of Muhammad on a poster, they should have that right.
If black Americans want to refuse putting images of the KKK on materials, they should have the right to do that.
If Christians who disagree with gay marriage don’t want to endorse messages that support it, they should have that right.

Kudos new guy.

wouldn't it be amazing if you heard just ONE gay person say "you know what? I get it. This guy is a christian and doesn't want to cater my gay wedding. I get it. I'll go find someone who will." I mean, wouldn't that just be AMAZING. Instead of turning it into "Selma 2015"
 
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Now you're just looking silly....You've already lost that portion of the argument, now you are just trying to desperately deflect, and change the goalposts....Move on.

You are the one who seems to believe only those in certain religions get protections for those beliefs.
 
If gay people wants to refuse to put ‘hateful’ messages on something, they should have that right.
If Muslims want to refuse putting cartoons of Muhammad on a poster, they should have that right.
If black Americans want to refuse putting images of the KKK on materials, they should have the right to do that.
If Christians who disagree with gay marriage don’t want to endorse messages that support it, they should have that right.

There is a difference though between a message on a cake saying "support same sex marriage" and just a wedding cake. A wedding cake by itself does not make any claim of support for any cause.
 
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The pizza place far beat out cancer patients and Boston Marathon bombing victims. Yay religion!

Pretty awesome...right?
 
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She didn't even have to go to another pharmacy. The doctor called it in to another pharmacy after the WalMart guy said no.

In other words, BFD. :roll:
No doubt in my mind.
 
There is a difference though between a message on a cake saying "support same sex marriage" and just a wedding cake. A wedding cake by itself does not make any claim of support for any cause.
Oh, but the absense of one makes for the claim of bigotry? Can't have it both ways.
 
Not "absence", refusal of one. There is a difference.
If someone shows up at a wedding with a cake it's quite likely, by their presence alone, that they support the wedding.

Of course they may also arrive with a sign that says the law has forced them to deliver a cake, or pizza, but is against the principles in which they believe, that they believe marriage should remain between a man and a woman.. Perhaps this would satisfy everyone. That way free speech and Gay rights are both being protected.
 
If someone shows up at a wedding with a cake it's quite likely, by their presence alone, that they support the wedding.

Of course they may also arrive with a sign that says the law has forced them to deliver a cake, or pizza, but is against the principles in which they believe, that they believe marriage should remain between a man and a woman.. Perhaps this would satisfy everyone. That way free speech and Gay rights are both being protected.

That would be fine with me to a point. I'd expect them to inform the person/people of their feelings at the beginning of the ordering , otherwise it is quite petty since it assumes the couple wouldn't have simply rejected their wishes and went somewhere else. Many probably would respect the wishes of those establishments. Heck the masterpiece cake place in Colorado said he turned away lots of customers for being gay and requesting a cake connected to marriage.
 
That would be fine with me to a point. I'd expect them to inform the person/people of their feelings at the beginning of the ordering , otherwise it is quite petty since it assumes the couple wouldn't have simply rejected their wishes and went somewhere else. Many probably would respect the wishes of those establishments. Heck the masterpiece cake place in Colorado said he turned away lots of customers for being gay and requesting a cake connected to marriage.

What's 'petty' is insisting someone deliver a pizza to a wedding knowing that goes against their beliefs. Then, to further this pettiness, they shut down businesses, send hate mail and death threats, and rubbish their previously good name around the country. And to increase the idiocy in this spirit of hyper-pettiness, this entire brouhaha was based on a hypothetical question!

At one time people would simply go to another bakery or wedding photographer, perhaps one that's been recommended to them by friends, but now one groups rights are considered to be superior to those of another. And because none of this Gay wedding controversy passes the smell test on its own merits comparisons are being made between Blacks, the KKK, and so on. Small minded liberals are all about the little picture.
 
What's 'petty' is insisting someone deliver a pizza to a wedding knowing that goes against their beliefs. Then, to further this pettiness, they shut down businesses, send hate mail and death threats, and rubbish their previously good name around the country. And to increase the idiocy in this spirit of hyper-pettiness, this entire brouhaha was based on a hypothetical question!

At one time people would simply go to another bakery or wedding photographer, perhaps one that's been recommended to them by friends, but now one groups rights are considered to be superior to those of another. And because none of this Gay wedding controversy passes the smell test on its own merits comparisons are being made between Blacks, the KKK, and so on. Small minded liberals are all about the little picture.

First of all, they said they wouldn't provide pizza to someone who came into their pizzeria, no mention of them actually having to deliver the pizza.

Second, they'd be more likely to provide pizza for a gay orgy delivering it to someone's house. How is that different? In fact how is it different providing for a same sex date than their wedding?

Also, it isn't like gays or gay supporters as a whole all were being hateful or threatened people. I don't blame all Christians for WBC or other extreme religious nut jobs. It is completely wrong and unfair to blame gays or gay rights supporters for what a very few idiots and nut jobs did. Plus, they reopened less than a week later with almost a million dollars. Guess that much money made them feel real secure.
 
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