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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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I think the word "shall" is pretty absolute, don't you?

Cool now I just to find some virgins to sacrifice
 
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Except that either they can, with laws such as those that prevent people from refusing to hire or promote women, or those aren't really keeping you from believing whatever you wish, only preventing you from using your religion to harm others.
So you think the constitution only applies when you want it to?
 
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So you think the constitution only applies when you want it to?

I think the Constitution is dependent on the people and how they view it. I also don't believe that the Freedom of Religion allows for anything and everything. This is obvious from the fact that no one can claim a right to sacrifice humans, even if they volunteer, in the name of their religion. No one can get away with living on people's land, stealing their resources by claiming their religion does not recognize ownership.
 
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You can give it a go...Let us know how that works for you. :roll:

Are you saying there is a flaw in your assessment?
 
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I think the Constitution is dependent on the people and how they view it. I also don't believe that the Freedom of Religion allows for anything and everything. This is obvious from the fact that no one can claim a right to sacrifice humans, even if they volunteer, in the name of their religion. No one can get away with living on people's land, stealing their resources by claiming their religion does not recognize ownership.
Please point out for me in the New Testiment where "Human sacrifice" is called for.
 
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So you think the constitution only applies when you want it to?

The fact that there is a separation of church and state doesn ot mean that religion has a free ride to oppress and discriminate. The mere thought is ****ing retarded.
 
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Please point out for me in the New Testiment where "Human sacrifice" is called for.

And there you go assuming that only Christians have a right to "Freedom of Religion". Are there not other religions out there? Have there not been religions in the past that have believed in human sacrifice?

Heck, there are places in the OT that call for different people to be put to death due to their sins against God or others. So, what about someone who has rejected the NT completely (notice I didn't call that person a "Christian"?) and simply believes in the OT, including that God wants them, insists that they actually stone women and men for adultery or sodomy, kill witches or professed witches, or even putting to death nonbelivers?
 
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The fact that there is a separation of church and state doesn ot mean that religion has a free ride to oppress and discriminate. The mere thought is ****ing retarded.
Strawman. Show me where I said that.
 
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Strawman. Show me where I said that.

You obviously implied it... nighty night.
 
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And there you go assuming that only Christians have a right to "Freedom of Religion". Are there not other religions out there? Have there not been religions in the past that have believed in human sacrifice?

Heck, there are places in the OT that call for different people to be put to death due to their sins against God or others. So, what about someone who has rejected the NT completely (notice I didn't call that person a "Christian"?) and simply believes in the OT, including that God wants them, insists that they actually stone women and men for adultery or sodomy, kill witches or professed witches, or even putting to death nonbelivers?
This is a predominantly Christian nation. But if you really want to be this obstinate then tell me of ANY mainstream recognized religon that calls for that.
 
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This is a predominantly Christian nation. But if you really want to be this obstinate then tell me of ANY mainstream recognized religon that calls for that.

Of over 40K different denominations, and hundreds of thousands, if not more, smaller pockets of beliefs and levels of beliefs. Pretty much every single one of those Christians have their own sets of beliefs, that differ, even if just a little bit, from every other Christian in the US.

Freedom of religion does not just recognize "mainstream" religious beliefs. All religious beliefs are protected to the same extent as all others, to the point where they cannot infringe upon other people's lives and rights, including what has been established as "civil rights".
 
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No, I'm saying your ridiculous hyperbole is laughable and ignorant.
I love it when they compare sacrificing virgins to baking a cake.
 
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I think the word "shall" is pretty absolute, don't you?

So human sacrifice is okay?
 
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Good news. The pizza parlor reopened today
 
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Of over 40K different denominations, and hundreds of thousands, if not more, smaller pockets of beliefs and levels of beliefs. Pretty much every single one of those Christians have their own sets of beliefs, that differ, even if just a little bit, from every other Christian in the US.

Freedom of religion does not just recognize "mainstream" religious beliefs. All religious beliefs are protected to the same extent as all others, to the point where they cannot infringe upon other people's lives and rights, including what has been established as "civil rights".

I don't see an answer to my question in there....Is that because you can't find any?
 
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I don't see an answer to my question in there....Is that because you can't find any?

Because your question was similar to "when did you stop beating your wife". We were discussing how the Constitution applies to religious beliefs, which includes all religious beliefs, not just those that come from the Bible.
 
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Because your question was similar to "when did you stop beating your wife". We were discussing how the Constitution applies to religious beliefs, which includes all religious beliefs, not just those that come from the Bible.

:doh: You're not understanding the conversation....You, and others brought up human sacrifice as though it was even relevant to this...And I asked you to name any main stream religions practiced today in the United States that call for human sacrifice. So far, you have danced all around it without answering the question. So, I'll just leave it there and take your dodging for what it is, and that is that you know your foolish venture into the absurd was just plain ignorant, and you shot off your mouth without thinking...

But, I will help you....

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

So, the overall final verdict is unfortunately for you, that NO you don't get to restrict peoples free exercise of their religion just because you have some special interest you think should gain consideration over that religions belief....At least not constitutionally.
 
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:doh: You're not understanding the conversation....You, and others brought up human sacrifice as though it was even relevant to this...And I asked you to name any main stream religions practiced today in the United States that call for human sacrifice. So far, you have danced all around it without answering the question. So, I'll just leave it there and take your dodging for what it is, and that is that you know your foolish venture into the absurd was just plain ignorant, and you shot off your mouth without thinking...

But, I will help you....

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

So, the overall final verdict is unfortunately for you, that NO you don't get to restrict peoples free exercise of their religion just because you have some special interest you think should gain consideration over that religions belief....At least not constitutionally.

Because human sacrifice is a religious belief that has existed and could exist as a part of religion. It is extreme, but still an example of where the Constitution limits people's religion. Another would be in the consequences of actions (which I did mention and you ignored) for sins/wrongdoing in many religions, which include killing people for various offenses. And yes, those are in the Bible.

Actually, you are wrong, we do restrict people in the "free exercise" of some beliefs. If someone feels that the Bible compels them to kill homosexuals or witches (and they view practicing Wiccans or palm readers as witches) or that the Koran compels them to beat their disobedient wives or kill their promiscuous daughters or sisters, they are prevented from doing those things by our laws that are based on religious beliefs.

And here are the verses that support those people who might believe those things:

Exodus 22:18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Heck, apparently President Obama's own grandmother believes that beating disobedient wives is okay. And this, although a relatively minor belief at least here in the US, is still a belief in many different religions, including some fundamentalist Christian sects.

My respond to the so called "Wife Beating is allowed at anytime" lie against Islam:

And while there are plenty of honor killings outside of Islam, and they are denounced by many Muslims, especially since they are not reportedly condone by the Koran, they are still seen by too many Muslims as a religious necessity to maintain family honor.
 
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