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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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LOL....is that why states are practically falling over themselves to make sure that they don't fall into the same Indiana trap? You are funny......come back to me in 10 years and show me where any state has tried to do what Indiana tried to pull.
Its a date. Will you be wearing that cute little green chiffon number and the pumps? It was always your best look.
 
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As I suspect....you can't show where Jesus ever condemned homosexuality. Carry on with your selective cafeteria style Christianity.

Ummm...and about that whole prostitution thing?

He DID say go forth...and...something. Go forth and...hmmmmmmm. what was it. Oh yeah. YOU remember.......
 
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It does. The people are free to practice their religion in accordance with laws. There are some exceptions made in certain laws to allow some leeway. But this isn't one of those because it would allow for anyone to claim religious exemption for basically any discrimination and there would be no point to the laws. All religions are treated equally in this law. No person can use their religious beliefs as reasoning for denying a service/product they offer to a customer. Just as no one can use their religious beliefs to be excluded from paying taxes of from having to get a drivers license to drive a car.
Just wondering if you understand the language saying "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of..."
 
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Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

And that's more reasons why I support the pizzeria.

That's not a very Christian view.

Matthew 7:1
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Matthew 10:11-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[SUP][a][/SUP] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Mathew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”
 
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Just wondering if you understand the language saying "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of..."

Is that absolute? Does that extend to the free exercise of any religion?
 
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I already answered this question.

Wut? No you didn't. You didn't say or even hint at how bakers would possibly know that a couple who is getting married was in fact a couple who were engaging in adultery before their engagement, unless it's asked or volunteered. Now, tell me again, how often do you think engaged couples are telling cake vendors who are total strangers about their adulterous affairs? You also didn't provide a hint of evidence that the pizza place owners, or any other business owners for that matter, willingly and knowingly provide their products to the celebration of adultery and/or divorce.
 
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And that could be a claim easily carried over to other types of customers to deny them service. Different race vs same-race couples, different faith vs same faith couples, even couples of different ages/generations (but still both old enough to get married) vs couples the same age or at least in the same generation. The law says these things are protected against discrimination by business owners selling products or services, when the refusal is based basically on the difference, favoring one set of people/couples over another.

We're talking only about same sex marriage. The owners of the pizza parlor weren't asked about and didn't weigh in on different race couples, different faith couples, different age couples, etc.
 
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That's not a very Christian view.
Matthew 7:1
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

You guys always bring that up to try to defend unrighteousness. But you need to read the rest of the story on making judgments. So here's what you're missing.

The Bible – Is it Wrong to Judge? « The Righter Report

Matthew 10:11-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[SUP][a][/SUP] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Mathew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

Nothing there helps you out. Jesus also said if people don't repent of their sins they will perish (Luke 13:3).

Getting back to the pizzeria, I'm glad they came into so much money from the public. And I seriously doubt their views on gay marriage have been altered.
 
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You guys always bring that up to try to defend unrighteousness. But you need to read the rest of the story on making judgments. So here's what you're missing.

The Bible – Is it Wrong to Judge? « The Righter Report

Nothing there helps you out. Jesus also said if people don't repent of their sins they will perish (Luke 13:3).

Getting back to the pizzeria, I'm glad they came into so much money from the public. And I seriously doubt their views on gay marriage have been altered.


I didn't know that the Righter Report was cannon. Sure, Jesus said that if people don't repent then they'd face God's judgment.

But Jesus judged religious hypocrites. He railed against people who claimed to be righteous while condemning others. He didn't condemn anyone else.
 
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Marriage has been determined as a right no less than 14 times by the SCOTUS. And yanno the Federal Marriage Amendment supported by various right wing extremist really doesn't have a hope in hell of passing with the current state of culture and the populace.
That's a misconception, and still a confusion between rights and privilges
 
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I didn't know that the Righter Report was cannon. Sure, Jesus said that if people don't repent then they'd face God's judgment.

But Jesus judged religious hypocrites. He railed against people who claimed to be righteous while condemning others. He didn't condemn anyone else.

Surely you're not trying to justify gay sex / marriage from the Bible. That just doesn't work for you.
 
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We're talking only about same sex marriage. The owners of the pizza parlor weren't asked about and didn't weigh in on different race couples, different faith couples, different age couples, etc.

Doesn't matter. The law could apply the same.

Why do so many people shy away from these comparisons? If you think someone should be exempted from being sued or violating public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws based on their religious beliefs, then it should and constitutionally has to apply to all beliefs, not just those that a good number of people agree with. I may not agree with such exemptions, and others may not either, but at least it would be constitutionally consistent.
 
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Doesn't matter. The law could apply the same.

Why do so many people shy away from these comparisons? If you think someone should be exempted from being sued or violating public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws based on their religious beliefs, then it should and constitutionally has to apply to all beliefs, not just those that a good number of people agree with. I may not agree with such exemptions, and others may not either, but at least it would be constitutionally consistent.

Because I'm only posting about what we know. I could win the Powerball next week. That isn't relevant.

The topic is about the pizza parlor in Indiana closing. They never said anything about anything but gay marriage.
 
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Just wondering if you understand the language saying "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of..."

Except that either they can, with laws such as those that prevent people from refusing to hire or promote women, or those aren't really keeping you from believing whatever you wish, only preventing you from using your religion to harm others.
 
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Because I'm only posting about what we know. I could win the Powerball next week. That isn't relevant.

The topic is about the pizza parlor in Indiana closing. They never said anything about anything but gay marriage.

And religion should not be a valid excuse to deny service to gays anymore than it is to deny service to others.
 
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Okay, so lobby to get the RFRA overturned.

Pretty sure it was already changed. The federal one has never been used to excuse violations of anti discrimination laws.
 
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Pretty sure it was already changed. The federal one has never been used to excuse violations of anti discrimination laws.

Well, then I guess there isn't a problem then?
 
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And other tribes were among the first people in this country to legalize same sex marriage.
All the major tribes are taking a stand against it.

So...shall we be expecting the pickets and expression of outrage and hatred this week or will it take a little time to organize?
 
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No, police, medical and fire services are controlled by a whole different set of laws and standards and you should know this.
Right, because those people have no faith, religion or convictions. Almost like a Beatles song. Do the rights of those in those service not matter?
 
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And religion should not be a valid excuse to deny service to gays anymore than it is to deny service to others.

nobody is trying to refuse gays, just gay marriage. and if my memory is correct WE WERE ALL PROMISED gay marriage would in no way effect our lives(us meaning homophobic morons). well that isn't the case here. these people have been run out of town. so much for promises.
 
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nobody is trying to refuse gays, just gay marriage. and if my memory is correct WE WERE ALL PROMISED gay marriage would in no way effect our lives(us meaning homophobic morons). well that isn't the case here. these people have been run out of town. so much for promises.

"No one is trying to refuse those attracted to people of a different race or those of a certain race, only interracial marriages."

From what? I don't think there was any legitimate threat to them or their business. And same sex marriage didn't cause this issue, at all. Stupid, irrational reactions on both sides did. It in all honesty didn't even have to do with legal same sex marriage, which is obvious from at least some of the other cases we've seen dealing with this, including the case in Colorado and in New Mexico, where same sex marriages weren't legally recognized in those states at that time.
 
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Is that absolute? Does that extend to the free exercise of any religion?
I think the word "shall" is pretty absolute, don't you?
 
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