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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

so if an old jewish couple with a deli in brooklyn refuses to cater a gay marriage on religious grounds, you would walk/stride in, call them bigots, then sign a petition to have the store closed. and you would be proud of yourself(ohhhh so proud)
Jews would also be forced to cater to Nazis and Holocaust deniers..
 
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Reading comprehension is your friend. Learn it. saying "This demonstrates that they are not discriminating against sexual orientation. Yes or no?" =/= no discrimination at all. Perhaps you should take a closer look at that question. It may be affecting your answer.

If you understood reading comprehension, you'd realize my answer was that they were discriminating based on sexual orientation.



Killing someone for a valid reason is not murder. As such murder laws do not discriminate against killing for valid reasons. Try again.

Murder laws discriminate....in favor of killing for valid reasons.

Discrimination can go either way. Try again.


In this particular matter it doesn't. Like it or not. Accept it or not. I don't care.

Yeah, who a bakery does and does not have to sell to has nothing to do with commerce!! :lamo
 
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Quite an emotional post there.

Show me where any of these Christian bakeries decided whether a gay couple can or cannot get married.

Oh right, they didn't. They refused their service because they did not want to condone nor participate in any way shape or form to something that they believe is wrong.

Yes, why would it not be an emotional post? This is an emotional subject especially for the people who have their civil rights trampled upon because some arrogant faux-Christian thinks he is so morally superior that he is above the law.

They refuse to do their job because they disapprove of them marrying.

And I do not care what they think is wrong or right, they are bakers and baking a party cake for a wedding is not "condoning of what they believe is wrong" but it is called doing their jobs and doing what they are legally bound to do. I cannot help it that the Christian Taliban thinks they can determine what laws they can and cannot follow, they are there for everyone, they are called civil rights and if you break that law you have to pay for it.
 
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Yes, why would it not be an emotional post? This is an emotional subject especially for the people who have their civil rights trampled upon because some arrogant faux-Christian thinks he is so morally superior that he is above the law.

So because homosexual rights were once trampled on it is perfectly OK to trample on the previous tramplers Rights? Now that their Rights are no longer being trampled on why are they thinking that they are morally superior and that they deserve enough special treatment to make people do something that they think is morally wrong? One would think that having ones Rights trampled on would make one more aware of what its like to have those Rights trampled on. But apparently they prefer angry emotionalism.

They refuse to do their job because they disapprove of them marrying.

The refuse to do the job because they see SSM as sinful yes. Should a Jew not object to being forced to make a Nazi swastika celebrating Hitler's B-day?

And I do not care what they think is wrong or right, they are bakers and baking a party cake for a wedding is not "condoning of what they believe is wrong" but it is called doing their jobs and doing what they are legally bound to do. I cannot help it that the Christian Taliban thinks they can determine what laws they can and cannot follow, they are there for everyone, they are called civil rights and if you break that law you have to pay for it.

But you certainly do care what YOU think is wrong or right huh? You certainly do care enough to try and force them do to what YOU think is right and to get them punished for things that YOU think is wrong. That my dear chap is called hypocrisy.
 
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Jews would also be forced to cater to Nazis and Holocaust deniers..

This analogy is thoroughly exhausted. Let's replace that with, "Deatheaters would be forced to cater to Hogwarts Open House."
 
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If you understood reading comprehension, you'd realize my answer was that they were discriminating based on sexual orientation.

1: No your answer was towards something that I never stated. That of them not discriminating at all. However thanks for affirming that your previous answer also applies to what I had to spell out for you.

2: Nope they didn't. Or do you think that they would make a cake for two male heterosexuals getting married? If they would then yes they are discriminating based on sexual orientation. If they would not then no, they are not.

Murder laws discriminate....in favor of killing for valid reasons.

Discrimination can go either way. Try again.

Wrong again. Murder laws are about killing for no valid reason. Self defense laws are about killing for valid reasons. Again, Try again.
 
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This analogy is thoroughly exhausted. Let's replace that with, "Deatheaters would be forced to cater to Hogwarts Open House."
That too, perhaps.

But do you agree with the analogy?
 
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So because homosexual rights were once trampled on it is perfectly OK to trample on the previous tramplers Rights? Now that their Rights are no longer being trampled on why are they thinking that they are morally superior and that they deserve enough special treatment to make people do something that they think is morally wrong? One would think that having ones Rights trampled on would make one more aware of what its like to have those Rights trampled on. But apparently they prefer angry emotionalism.

I am sorry, but the rights of whom are being trampled on when a baker has to make a wedding cake? Nobody's rights, that is who.

The refuse to do the job because they see SSM as sinful yes. Should a Jew not object to being forced to make a Nazi swastika celebrating Hitler's B-day?

Well, then they should not be bakers now should't they, or not sell any wedding cakes as all. That is the right they have, but if someone orders from you a stock wedding cake (that you do not specifically have to design for them with speciality items added) then you do not have the right to refuse them that.

And Jewish bakers do not really have a cake in their stock of cakes people can order with swastika's on there. That is called creative freedom, they are being asked to do something they never sell (a swastika cake) and thus that Jewish baker has the right to not make that cake.

But you certainly do care what YOU think is wrong or right huh? You certainly do care enough to try and force them do to what YOU think is right and to get them punished for things that YOU think is wrong. That my dear chap is called hypocrisy.

What I think is wrong or right? I am sorry, but we are talking about a bakery which sells wedding cakes, period. If they want to break they law then they have to pay for that.
 
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Wrong again. They are against Gay marriage. In fact it was Bill Clinton who signed the Defense of Marriage Act. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-104hr3396enr/pdf/BILLS-104hr3396enr.pdf

You should familiarize yourself with the facts before entering the debate.

You should familiarize yourself with the law. It is discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Our decisions
have declined to distinguish between status and
conduct in this context. See Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U. S.
558, 575 (2003) (“When homosexual conduct is made
criminal by the law of the State, that declaration in and of
itself is an invitation to subject homosexual persons to
discrimination.” (emphasis added)); id., at 583 (O’Connor,
J., concurring in judgment) (“While it is true that the law
applies only to conduct, the conduct targeted by this law is
conduct that is closely correlated with being homosexual.
Under such circumstances, [the] law is targeted at more
than conduct. It is instead directed toward gay persons as
a class.
”); cf. Bray v. Alexandria Women’s Health Clinic,
506 U. S. 263, 270 (1993) (“A tax on wearing yarmulkes is
a tax on Jews.”). See also Brief for Lambda Legal Defense
and Education Fund, Inc., et al. as Amici Curiae 7–20.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1371.pdf
 
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Wrong again. Murder laws are about killing for no valid reason. Self defense laws are about killing for valid reasons. Again, Try again.

What are you talking about I never made that comment. Me thinks you misquoted totally and completely.
 
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1: No your answer was towards something that I never stated. That of them not discriminating at all. However thanks for affirming that your previous answer also applies to what I had to spell out for you.

No, my answer was to your question
2: Nope they didn't. Or do you think that they would make a cake for two male heterosexuals getting married? If they would then yes they are discriminating based on sexual orientation. If they would not then no, they are not.

Doesn't make a difference. It is considered discrimination based on sexual orientation

Wrong again. Murder laws are about killing for no valid reason. Self defense laws are about killing for valid reasons. Again, Try again.

Murder laws explicitly define legal killings thereby discriminating between legal killings and illegal ones.

Try again
 
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SCOTUS also disagreed with those who helped free slaves. What's your point?

The point is that as long as the courts allowed people to do something, people had the right to do it.

Your definition of rights is inaccurate.
 
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Doesn't make a difference. It is considered discrimination based on sexual orientation

Wow, I cannot believe that you just said that. How in the world is refusing to make a wedding cake for BOTH heterosexual males AND homosexual males considered sexual orientation discrimination?

Murder laws explicitly define legal killings thereby discriminating between legal killings and illegal ones.

Try again

No, murder laws explicitly define murders. Not legal killings.
 
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The point is that as long as the courts allowed people to do something, people had the right to do it.

Your definition of rights is inaccurate.

Your concept of what Rights are is not only inaccurate but so far off base that even the word "wrong" does not do justice to how wrong you are.
 
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Wow, I cannot believe that you just said that. How in the world is refusing to make a wedding cake for BOTH heterosexual males AND homosexual males considered sexual orientation discrimination?

I've quoted the Scotus decision which explains it. If you're having trouble understanding it, try moving your lips while you read it

While it is true that the law
applies only to conduct, the conduct targeted by this law is
conduct that is closely correlated with being homosexual.
Under such circumstances, [the] law is targeted at more
than conduct. It is instead directed toward gay persons as
a class.”); cf. Bray v. Alexandria Women’s Health Clinic,
506 U. S. 263, 270 (1993)

No, murder laws explicitly define murders. Not legal killings.

Wrong. Murder laws explicitly defines legal defenses. Take Stand Your Ground laws, for example.
 
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Your concept of what Rights are is not only inaccurate

Hmm, the dictionary or some anonymous poster on the internet who calls himself Kal'Stang...whom should I believe? :shrug:
 
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Yes I did. I apologize. And I fixed it.

Solved, no problem, no need to apoligize but I appreciate the apology anyway.
 
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Your concept of what Rights are is not only inaccurate but so far off base that even the word "wrong" does not do justice to how wrong you are.
Our liberal friends confuse rights with privileges and they confuse freedom with security.
 
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Our liberal friends confuse rights with privileges and they confuse freedom with security.

Marriage has been determined as a right no less than 14 times by the SCOTUS. And yanno the Federal Marriage Amendment supported by various right wing extremist really doesn't have a hope in hell of passing with the current state of culture and the populace.
 
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