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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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VanceMack said:
You just made my point.
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BTW, I have long ago said we will reach a point where the SCOTUS will decide in favor of gay marriage at some point and time. I think they have shown tremendous cowardice in refusing to take it on before now. And when it does...the sun will still come out tomorrow.
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Wrong. I didn't make your point, I made my point.

Deal with it. :roll:
 
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clownboy said:
What's the source of the photo?

Your daughters would be best served if you woke up a bit and realized that bullies have no one political persuasion or sexuality.
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It absolutely was a staged photo. There is a blog writer for Forbes that inserted it into his article that had less than zero to do with discrimination.
Natural-Born Homophobes? - Forbes
The photo was pulled from Wikipedia but it is a staged group by a marketing firm (you can see some of their other work here https://www.flickr.com/photos/queereaster/sets/72157600064385095/).

So...yah...like a lot of the arguments...fake.
 
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clownboy said:
What's the source of the photo?

Your daughters would be best served if you woke up a bit and realized that bullies have no one political persuasion or sexuality.
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Are you actually even trying to keep up?
 
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clownboy said:
That wouldn't be analogous unless they asked you to gay or butch it up.
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If pizzeria wedding caterers* were asked to be gay or butch it up, that would be a pretty big problem

*Something I've learned from this issue: pizzeria wedding caterers are apparently super common.
 
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VanceMack said:
It absolutely was a staged photo. There is a blog writer for Forbes that inserted it into his article that had less than zero to do with discrimination.
Natural-Born Homophobes? - Forbes
The photo was pulled from Wikipedia but it is a staged group by a marketing firm (you can see some of their other work here https://www.flickr.com/photos/queereaster/sets/72157600064385095/).

So...yah...like a lot of the arguments...fake.
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The photo wasn't the point. Are actually suggesting **** like that doesn't happen?
 
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Top Cat said:
Not for the thumpers.
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Yep...for everyone. We've already seen it where the courts have overturned state laws and amendments.

Sad thing is...all the bitter angry hate filled small little people will feel no more 'normal' when it does than they do now. They will just have one less thing to blame.
 
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Cardinal said:
That's a copout. I'm guessing there's an extraordinarily small number of people who like following stringent business regulations, but the upsides of owning your own business may outweigh the red tape and day-to-day irritations. If you don't like the regulations, your religious faith isn't enough to overturn them. We all have to deal with them. But if this is all too much for you then clearly business isn't the place for you.
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Individual rights come before any regulations do... At least that's how it is in America... Where are you from again?



Or as I suggested to someone else, you should perhaps opt to go to confessional more frequently if you feel that doing business with gays is sinful.
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Are you dense, or just expressing hatred through dishonesty?

How many times do I have to say that I am not a Christian, before it sinks in? I even stated clearly in the post you quoted that I did not oppose gay marriage.

But I suppose painting me as a Christian is the only way you can justify your obvious bigoted stance against religious people.
 
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Cardinal said:
If pizzeria wedding caterers* were asked to be gay or butch it up, that would be a pretty big problem

*Something I've learned from this issue: pizzeria wedding caterers are apparently super common.
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No. You tried to neutralize their objection to providing food specifically for an event they have objections to by going with the painting portraits analogy. Your analogy is broken, try again.
 
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Grim17 said:
Individual rights come before any regulations do... At least that's how it is in America... Where are you from again?




Are you dense, or just expressing hatred through dishonesty?

How many times do I have to say that I am not a Christian, before it sinks in? I even stated clearly in the post you quoted that I did not oppose gay marriage.

But I suppose painting me as a Christian is the only way you can justify your obvious bigoted stance against religious people.
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I have the individual right to discriminate against other human beings while receiving help from the government in the form of tax cuts, loans, etc.. Is that ok? Jesus.
 
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Top Cat said:
The photo wasn't the point. Are actually suggesting **** like that doesn't happen?
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I'm stating your point is as fake as your picture. It hearkesn back to what was said earlier. People like you...oh...you are quick to cry ';right wing' and use words like bigot and homophobe. But as soon as its a liberal making some form of anti-gay statement or taking an anti-gay marriage position...there is ALWAYS some excuse, or reason, or rationale.

Always.

Like I said...you are as fake as your picture.
 
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Top Cat said:
The photo wasn't the point. Are actually suggesting **** like that doesn't happen?
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It was the point. You were using it to illustrate your fear of "right wingers" terrorizing your gay daughters. Like your fear of that, the photo was staged for effect. And it's ****ty that you're using your daughters to forward your hatred and bigotry against others because their politics and beliefs differ from yours.
 
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matchlight said:
I would say the misrepresentations are yours.
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Of course you would, otherwise you would have to admit you were wrong and we all have seen your inability to do that.

You neither understand nor care about the constitutional rights involved
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Actually I do at least as well as you do.

and it shows.
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The only thing that shows is your disdain for honest discourse and facts.
 
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Grim17 said:
Individual rights come before any regulations do... At least that's how it is in America... Where are you from again?
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Ha ha, okay. I'll try that next time I'm penalized for not following certain EPA codes. I'll just say "My individual rights come before your regulations." Why didn't I think of that before?

Grim17 said:
Are you dense, or just expressing hatred through dishonesty?

How many times do I have to say that I am not a Christian, before it sinks in? I even stated clearly in the post you quoted that I did not oppose gay marriage.

But I suppose painting me as a Christian is the only way you can justify your obvious bigoted stance against religious people.
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I don't care if you're so atheist you make Richard Dawkins looks like a raving Christian fundamentalist by comparison. The issue that blew this up was Christians wanting to discriminate against gays based on their religion. I do want to know though how Christians who have been forced to do business with gays have been dealing with it thus far. Have they just accepted they're going to hell? Are they going to confessional? Are they closing their businesses en masse?
 
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clownboy said:
No. You tried to neutralize their objection to providing food specifically for an event they have objections to by going with the painting portraits analogy. Your analogy is broken, try again.
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If you fee like you're "taking part in" their gay wedding, that's your problem, nobody else's.
 
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Dovkan said:
I have the individual right to discriminate against other human beings while receiving help from the government in the form of tax cuts, loans, etc.. Is that ok? Jesus.
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When the government has set things up so EVERYONE is on some sort of dole, so they always have that excuse to call the shots, it is indeed okay for folks to choose to have their own beliefs. Even you.
 
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Cardinal said:
That's your opinion. When I paint someone's portrait I don't think that I'm condoning, approving of or taking part in their life. To me that constitutes the highest order of arrogance.
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I agree... Now if the painting of that portrait was commissioned by the "Gay Marriage History Museum" to be placed upon their walls in a public ceremony, then an artist who is a devout Muslim, Christian, or Jew, should be able to refuse to paint it on religious grounds.

Can you see the difference between discriminating against a person, and discriminating against an event? Only someone who has abandoned right and wrong to further their political agenda, wouldn't be able to see that.
 
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clownboy said:
When the government has set things up so EVERYONE is on some sort of dole, so they always have that excuse to call the shots, it is indeed okay for folks to choose to have their own beliefs. Even you.
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So, it's ok for businesses receiving support from the government to discriminate under your view? LOL.
 
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Cardinal said:
If you fee like you're "taking part in" their gay wedding, that's your problem, nobody else's.
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You are if you're catering the event. How is that not participating?
 
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Grim17 said:
Catering food for a gay wedding, is choosing to participate in and/or contribute to that wedding ceremony.

This isn't rocket science here, just common sense stuff.
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No one said it is rocket science, but food preparation is just that food preparation.
What degree of separation must exist in your opinion to render an activity non-participation? Does a wedding dress maker participate in a lesbian wedding? How about a miner in a shooting? The ore was turned into steel that was used to make a gun.
 
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Dovkan said:
I have the individual right to discriminate against other human beings while receiving help from the government in the form of tax cuts, loans, etc.. Is that ok? Jesus.
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Of course it isn't right... Gay marriage is an event/ceremony, not an individual.
 
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Grim17 said:
I agree... Now if the painting of that portrait was commissioned by the "Gay Marriage History Museum" to be placed upon their walls in a public ceremony, then an artist who is a devout Muslim, Christian, or Jew, should be able to refuse to paint it on religious grounds.

Can you see the difference between discriminating against a person, and discriminating against an event? Only someone who has abandoned right and wrong to further their political agenda, wouldn't be able to see that.
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I would be happy to have my painting hang in the Gay Marriage History Museum. I wouldn't be so happy to have my portrait hanging in the Ku Klux Klan hall of fame, but such is the way of things.
 
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Dovkan said:
So, it's ok for businesses receiving support from the government to discriminate under your view? LOL.
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Again, the federal government has taken so much power that ALL businesses are in some way "receiving support". So yes.
 
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clownboy said:
You are if you're catering the event. How is that not participating?
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If you thinking of that as "participating," that's on you. I would think of it as "offering the same service I offer to the rest of my customers."
 
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