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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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Yes. That means that Christians (Muslims, Jews, etc.) can't be turned away on the basis of their being Christian.

But they can be forced to violate their religious beliefs or be run out of business. That's what the gaystapo calls religious freedom
 
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But they can be forced to violate their religious beliefs or be run out of business. That's what the gaystapo calls religious freedom

I'm just sorry that all of you forced to do business with gays are going to hell. Can you just go to confession afterwards or something?
 
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I'm just sorry that all of you forced to do business with gays are going to hell. Can you just go to confession afterwards or something?
Yet another example of liberal tolerance. You gotta love it
 
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You are again wrong.. It's not refusing to cater to two homosexual individuals,.. It's refusing to take part in their marriage ceremony, which violates the tenets of their religion.
How is making food taking part in anything else but making food?
 
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I have traveled extensively in my career. I've been to 48 states. Most numerous times including Indiana. I have never personally seen more overt racism than in Indiana. This situation surprises me none.

To your question, yes it's possible. But I do not think for a minute that's what this is.
Funny...I've been to 49 of the 50 states and a large part fo the world and Indiana is one of the last places I think of when I think of overt racism. Certainly less than in say...Hawaii, or in major cities like Boston, New York, Philadelphia (yikes!), Chicago, etc.

I believe the vast majority of us are of the category that believes homoesxuality is wrong and do not support gay marriage but do love and care for and hope for their happiness. Thats just me, but then...Im not desperately seeking 'homophobia'. I find it literally laugh out loud funny the number of people that shriek and wail against conservatives that hold such positions when those positions almost exactly mirror the 'unevolved' beliefs of the democrat they voted for and put into the WH in 2008.
 
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Freedom includes the ability and the right to discriminate whether it's religious freedom or otherwise
Not in an orderly civilized society. Bigotry belongs to cave men.
 
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A small price to pay? A remarkable conclusion.

America stood up, I agree. As to Freedom and Justice, I guess that depends on whether Freedom and Justice in this specific matter can be found inside fear and threats of violence.
I don't condone threats or violence. That was a miniscule minority involved in that behavior. The bottom line to all of this though is that America stood up and said that in 2015 we will no longer accept bigotry and discrimination against our citizens. The American people forced a change in the law and freedom, honor and dignity won out. Any time one of these attempts raises its head again....America will stand up again.
 
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Yet another example of liberal tolerance. You gotta love it
No no. He has a point. See...I personally think people are foolish for making bad business decisions. Thats just my opinion. BUT...if they REALLY dont want to and are FORCED to by law, well...there is a nice, time honored ploy that is as effective today as it was 35 years ago when I was a kid at fast food restaurants and had to make food for people that would give you ****. Make their food, but then make sure you are the one that hands it to them and make sure you smile at them and tell them to ENJOY that food...it was made with extra special 'love' reserved just for such occasions. And then tell them to have a GREAT day.
 
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The Left can't stand the fact that shops like Memories Pizza can stay in business and not cave to the homosexual agenda.
Please do not delude yourself. Thee are countless enterprises that only accept specific clientele because their owners did not want to deal with the public and were intelligent enough to avoid controversy. Clearly the ownership of this particular pizza place lacks such intellectual fortitude. One needs not go any further than listen to the interview and it becomes glaringly obvious that they are just plain ignorant bigots.
 
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Please do not delude yourself. Thee are countless enterprises that only accept specific clientele because their owners did not want to deal with the public and were intelligent enough to avoid controversy. Clearly the ownership of this particular pizza place lacks such intellectual fortitude. One needs not go any further than listen to the interview and it becomes glaringly obvious that they are just plain ignorant bigots.

So their their sin is in their being honest due to a lack of intelligence?

How terrible. :roll:
 
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I believe the vast majority of us are of the category that believes homoesxuality is wrong and do not support gay marriage
:lamo:lamo:lamo the vast majority of a small minority.
 
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I love it when you guys say that someone can exercise their religion all they want, except when the left decides they can't

The problem here is you folks who proclaim this is all about free exercise of your religious faith without government intrusion forget that it is the very government you're relying on (at the state level) to give you broader reach to exclude anyone you wish from your business practices. As such, you're acting no differently than those religious zealots you claim to despise.

I listened to Gov. Bobby Jindal this morning on Meet the Press and he was quick to name (specific types of) business owners who were Christians as having a fundamental right to exercise their religious freedom, but excluded other religious faiths. Moreover, he was quick to say if the business owner were say a wedding planner or a caterer as opposed to being the owner of a restaurant that it would be fair to allow the wedding planner or caterer to refuse to provide services to a gay person but that same "religious distinction" wouldn't apply to say a gay person or a Muslim who sat down to have a meal at a fine dinning establishment. Frankly, I see such laws as giving a blank check to any business owner to prohibit services to anyone whose religious values don't mirror their own.

He went on to talk about how such religious convictions could be extended into the workplace. To which I ask, how far is such religious freedom laws to be extended? Seems to me it's not the government (at least not at the federal level) that's the problem here. It's politicians being unduly influenced at the state-level that's creating this problem - a problem that really doesn't exist in large number to even be a problem for most businesses.

The way I see it, such state-sanctioned religious freedom laws are nothing but a filter in which business owners can exercise bigotry under the guise of religious freedom.

This is wrong and corporate executives and the public-at-large were right to come out against it. Moreover, this isn't a liberal issue. This is a common-sense issue. You can refuse to provide a service or sell a product to anyone you wish, but you should have a better, more legitimate reason for doing so besides:

- Hey! You're a Jew...

- Hey! You're gay...

- Hey! You're Black...

- Hey! You're a Muslim...

I have a fundamental problem with laws like those IN and AR that tried to put one over on the citizens of their respective states. Such refusals should be because the customer made an unreasonable request, is being disruptive or is a nuisance and causing problems for his customers. Anything else likely wouldn't justify denying service to a paying customer of any public establishment.
 
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:lamo:lamo:lamo the vast majority of a small minority.
Define that. What do you think is the 'small minority'...the number of people opposed to gay marriage?
 
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So their their sin is in their being honest due to a lack of intelligence?

How terrible. :roll:
No, being so utterly stupid is not a sin, just most unfortunate. Maybe we can hope that they could learn from all this, though I confess I have my doubts.
 
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How is making food taking part in anything else but making food?

If I walk into a bakery and ask the baker to make me a "penis cake" as a, um, gag gift for a party that's just making food, too, isn't it? Is he discriminating against me if he refuses?
 
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Define that. What do you think is the 'small minority'...the number of people opposed to gay marriage?
There is no "vast majority" that thinks homosexuality is wrong.
 
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If I walk into a bakery and ask the baker to make me a "penis cake" as a, um, gag gift for a party that's just making food, too, isn't it? Is he discriminating against me if he refuses?
Try a gay bakery and they may ask you for specifics, but unless you are attempting to score a meaningless point for some vagina worshiping cult, I fail to see the relevance.
 
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Yet another example of liberal tolerance. You gotta love it

Well it looks to me like you have three choices:
1) Do business with gays and go to hell
2) Go to confession afterwards.
3) Don't start a business in which you may have to do business with gays
 
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If I walk into a bakery and ask the baker to make me a "penis cake" as a, um, gag gift for a party that's just making food, too, isn't it? Is he discriminating against me if he refuses?

Try it and found out. And if he turns you down, sue him on Judge Judy so we can all watch your humiliation.
 
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From a public policy standpoint, most people fear homosexuality because of the potential health and moral implications such a lifestyle could bring.

On the health front, there is the obvious - AIDS/HIV.

But SSM reduces, not increases, the chance of AIDS spreading. People ARE gay (or straight) so prohibiting SSM doesn't reduce the number of gays or the number in intimate sexual relationships. It would be like worrying about one parent families, and prohibiting marriage till 30 or something to make sure the couple is 'ready' to have kids before the state allows it.... No, that just guarantees a whole lot more sex outside marriage, and the likelihood of an unwanted, out of wedlock child.

From a moral perspective, there's the potential breakdown of the sanctity of marriage.

I've really struggled with connecting the dots here. I have tried and can't figure out how more people getting married negatively affects the sanctity of straight marriages. In my feeble mind, that should increase the societal expectation that committed couples make a legally binding commitment, gay and straight.

In the minds of many, both situations have the potential of eroding the fabric of society and traditional marriage. This above all is what many fear most about the LGBT community. Problem here is more people die of cancer than they do of AIDS, and even without adding homosexuality into the equation more marriage still fail due to money problems, physical abuse and infidelity with a member of the opposite sex than they do from discovering that their former spouse is gay or lesbian or has some other deep, dark sexual demon in their closet.

Again, the problem with a husband or wife finding out their spouse is gay is directly related to the shame and contempt society has traditionally heaped on openly gay individuals. Faced with that shame, and the condemnation of their family, church, friends, coworkers, the path of least resistance is to live a lie as a straight person. Obviously many cannot maintain that lie for a lifetime and a horribly broken family is the result.

While I agree with those who see homosexuality as a sin, I'm also of the view that this is their life and as long as no one of that lifestyle attempts to impose themselves on me personally, I adhere to the tenant "hate the sin, love the sinner".

I agree, obviously. And I've been around lots of gays in bars, street parties, regular parties, restaurants, etc. and never have been hit on. They have no interest hitting on straight people. I suppose it happens, but no more often than women intentionally hit on gay men, or straight men on lesbians.

Sidenote: I have a couple of gay friends - one male, the other female. As friendships, social interactions and casual associations go, if they aren't having public displays of affections, i.e., holding hands or kissing their significant other, I've found them to be just as normal as anyone else.

Right, they're people same as everyone else with a different sexual orientation. It's why the biggest change IMO is the number of Americans who report they know an openly gay person - from 20% or so, to over 60% just decade or so later. If a family member you love tells you he is gay, it's hard to maintain the belief they're this "other" being. No, they're the same brother/sister/son/daughter/cousin, etc. with a different sexual orientation. Same with a good childhood friend - you liked him or her when you thought he/she was straight - they're gay and you no longer do? That's tough to maintain without evidence to support it. And that evidence typically isn't there - they're that person, gay. Kids now say, "so what" and that's a good thing IMO.

FWIW, kissing (assuming it's not a make out session or something) and holding hands is obviously totally normal for gays and straights...
 
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When the government forces you to provide a service you don't want to provide, it's tyranny



When someone provides a service to some but refuses to provide that service to others, that's discrimination. :roll:




"Tolerance is giving to everyone every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
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There is no "vast majority" that thinks homosexuality is wrong.
Riiiiiiiiight.

How many men (conservatives or liberals) are going to rush out to proudly declare to all their friends "hey guys!!! Great news!!! I just found out my son is gay!"? How many women are just super happy for that news? No...what you DO get a lot of is...'you know...we love you know matter what and we just want you to be happy'. Usually that is said with an almost smile and the tears dont come until later.

Ya know though...we could always put it to the test. A national vote...single issue, not tied to candidates or anything else. Decision made once and for all and good luck to both sides. Right? What percentage of blacks would vote for gay marriage? What percentage of hispanics? Oh...I hear the response already (because the dialogue has already been had here). "'Rights' shouldnt be subject to a vote or majority rule." Because you know better. Were it not for court intervention, there would still be 33+ states with laws either banning gay marriage or clarifying marriage as only between a man and a woman.

But...but...the POLLS...right?

So...they should put it to a vote. Right?
 
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Funny...I've been to 49 of the 50 states and a large part fo the world and Indiana is one of the last places I think of when I think of overt racism. Certainly less than in say...Hawaii, or in major cities like Boston, New York, Philadelphia (yikes!), Chicago, etc.

I believe the vast majority of us are of the category that believes homoesxuality is wrong and do not support gay marriage but do love and care for and hope for their happiness. Thats just me, but then...Im not desperately seeking 'homophobia'. I find it literally laugh out loud funny the number of people that shriek and wail against conservatives that hold such positions when those positions almost exactly mirror the 'unevolved' beliefs of the democrat they voted for and put into the WH in 2008.

I think it's fair to say Obama's "beliefs" are political as the wind blows.
 
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