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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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Denying service to an illegal event or such is justified,

Why does it need to be illegal?


wait, deny me service? Can you elaborate on this?

Yes, it can be anything you want from another person.
 
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So you are saying payback is a female dog? :mrgreen:
I'm saying if there are videos and pictures of young gay men swinging in the breeze from a bridge in Iran, someone is going to be whinging about a cake in Colorado and trying to divert attention from what REAL discrimination looks like.

Its kinda like that pathetic 'civil rights argument. Like...riiiiight...not having someone cater a gay wedding is JUST LIKE the 60's.
 
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you mean go back to the "heterosexuals only" water fountains. Don't worry pet. It won't come to that.

DUDE! You seriously either need to get laid or at least get your hands on some good weed. Chill, man.
 
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Yes, in your mind. If you're a caterer you're not being asked to "take part in," "approve of" or "condone" a gay marriage. You're being asked to cater food which, if it is a service you offer to other customers, then you should be able to offer them.
Again, it is in her mind and it is her decision. And yes, she should be able to decide whether or not to cater to a Gay wedding. It could be called called 'a woman's right to choose'.
 
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Groucho Marx said he would never belong to an organization that would have him as a member.

:)



I miss Groucho Marx, he was a great guy. His comedy was never cruel.

This world could use a few guys like him.
 
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Despite the error in that sentiment, freedom allows people have consciences that might be offensive to others

Despite the error in your beliefs, the law doesn't allow businesses in Ind to discriminate based on sexual orientation....

...because the republicans in Ind. just banned it!!! :lamo
 
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“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”

George Washington
 
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“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”

George Washington
6. “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.” - April 17, 2008, while running for president, defining marriage at the Saddleback Presidential Forum.

7. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that’s not what America’s about.” - Nov. 2, 2008, while running for president, in an interview with MTV.
 
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6. “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.” - April 17, 2008, while running for president, defining marriage at the Saddleback Presidential Forum.

7. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that’s not what America’s about.” - Nov. 2, 2008, while running for president, in an interview with MTV.

and i disagreed.
 
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So your experience is everything that happens in the world? That is what you're implying with a post such as this and your previous posts. I've shown your statement "The words 'pizza' and 'catering' are mutually exclusive." to be absolutely wrong and your experience "I have never heard of anybody having a wedding catered with pizza." to be seriously lacking. And yet you continue to double down on it. Not surprised I guess. :shrug:

Never mind with SMTA... As you've seen... His words after a certain amount of time (usually minutes) lose their validity. It's as if he never uttered them. Then he's free to make up new ****.
 
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I miss Groucho Marx, he was a great guy. His comedy was never cruel.

This world could use a few guys like him.

I shoulda joined a club and hit you with it...One of my favorites.
 
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The pizza storemight as well close. They can make more money just standing their ground....

[h=1]Indiana Pizzeria’s Donations Reach Whopping $842,387 in Wake of Anti-Gay Marriage Backlash[/h]
Indiana Pizzeria
 
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I miss Groucho Marx, he was a great guy. His comedy was never cruel.

This world could use a few guys like him.

You got that right!

From the Marx Brothers movies to "You Bet Your Life" through the visits on the Carson show, he seemed a bit crazy, but always very funny and clever.

Until you said it, it never occurred to me that he was not cruel. The fast paced banter and quasi lunacy were distracting.

Great observation!
 
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Many? Probably about 20K or so. Not much in a country of 300 million or so. But good for them. They played this perfectly and are laughing all the way to the bank.

Right. Only 20k? Prove it.

Interesting you imply its just a small number so who cares.

How many gay couples in Indiana would have gone to the pizzeria to cater their wedding? It would seem, according to the storm troops, if it were just one, it warrants complete personal and professional destruction.

That fact speaks volumes.
 
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Oh, you're free to exercise your religious faith all you want, but if you're going to be in business you need to know that not every customer who walks through your doors will be a Christian or a Muslim or a Catholic or a Buddhist, and as such, you should be prepared to address such customers should it NOT be well known and established that your business does not cater to the needs of those whose religious views do not mirror your own.

By establishing your business as a for-profit religious entity and marketing such as a religious entity, you head off most problems that could arise due to confusion as to who you are and what products or services your establishment provides.

In short, if I were a Muslim and I entered your Christian book store I'd know that all I'd ever find in your store were Christian books. Therefore, it would be foolish of me to think I could raise a fuss that you don't stock Muslim literature in your establishment because that's just not what you do. :shrug:

Of course, you're free not to go that route of establishing your faith-based business as a for-profit company, but you should know that in not doing so you leave yourself open to the possibility of someday dealing with a customer who may create problems for you on religious grounds. Are you ready for that?

The cake baker, for example, could still bake the cake but refuse to place a "groom-and-groom" cake topper on it. Provide the name and number of a vendor who will sell the topper to the gay couple and they can order it themselves.

The photographer could take pictures of a gay wedding, just leave them out of his professional portfolio.

The caterer could still prepare the food and even deliver same, but just not serve it.

There are compromises all over the place if people look hard enough. Problem here is people don't want to look. They're too stuck on "being forced" to do something they don't want to do, being fearful of possibly being sued or the possible fallout from doing business with gays and lesbians. Well, the only way anyone really knows is if you make a big deal out of it. Don't make a big deal of it. Just find other alternatives to meet the demand or politely refuse but recommend another establishment that may meet their needs. To me, that's just good business practice.
I love it when you guys say that someone can exercise their religion all they want, except when the left decides they can't
 
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That's not tyranny. That's leaving open the possibility of gaining a larger market share by leaving your doors open to everyone who wants your product or service. Now, if you wish to target your company to a select clientele, you should target your marketing campaign accordingly and not stand behind "government force" as an excuse that your customer base has dwindled due to your own prejudice, bigotry or bias.

You can be selective about who your customers are without being a jerk about it (i.e., that sign in the window that reads, "No Blacks or Gays Allowed" tends to fend off more potential customers than "No Shoes, No Shirts, No Service").
When the government forces you to provide a service you don't want to provide, it's tyranny
 
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"Religious freedom" doesn't include the ability to discriminate. How far will we go with the idea of religious freedom?

Freedom includes the ability and the right to discriminate whether it's religious freedom or otherwise
 
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Despite the error in your beliefs, the law doesn't allow businesses in Ind to discriminate based on sexual orientation....

...because the republicans in Ind. just banned it!!!
Actually, the law in Indiana still does not include homosexuals as a protected class. That's a misunderstanding despite the desires of the intolerant Left
 
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As of this afternoon, the owners of the anti-gay pizza place had received more than $800,000 from online donors - yeah, the gullible are definitely out there.

Gullible? You really don't think that they understood why they were contributing. I think that the SSM movement did a little jumping the shark here. You don't give death threats and bully some small business. You have the largest corporation in the world, Apple, on your side along with almost all businesses. Yet you feel the need to bully some Mom and Pop store.

I remember back when all the LGBT community wanted was the right to marry whom they loved. Apparently not. They now want everyone to support them. And they have become the haters.
 
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Gullible? You really don't think that they understood why they were contributing. I think that the SSM movement did a little jumping the shark here. You don't give death threats and bully some small business. You have the largest corporation in the world, Apple, on your side along with almost all businesses. Yet you feel the need to bully some Mom and Pop store.

I remember back when all the LGBT community wanted was the right to marry whom they loved. Apparently not. They now want everyone to support them. And they have become the haters.

The Left can't stand the fact that shops like Memories Pizza can stay in business and not cave to the homosexual agenda. They will say anything, do anything, tell any lie, make any threat to make sure such businesses are shut down. And they will call it tolerance
 
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The Left can't stand the fact that shops like Memories Pizza can stay in business and not cave to the homosexual agenda. They will say anything, do anything, tell any lie, make any threat to make sure such businesses are shut down. And they will call it tolerance


Hyperbole much?
 
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Hyperbole much?

In response to:
The Left can't stand the fact that shops like Memories Pizza can stay in business and not cave to the homosexual agenda. They will say anything, do anything, tell any lie, make any threat to make sure such businesses are shut down. And they will call it tolerance

What specific part or parts is hyperbole? Clearly there was strong condemnation and death threats made against a small business that did not discriminate in any way but rather simply answered a hypothetical question. Clearly many, or maybe some, in the LGBT crowd think that they are the tolerant ones, despite making death threats. Those in the LGBT crowd who went after Brendan Eich for making a contribution in 2008 to a group are intolerant. Clearly there have been law suits. Clearly other small business have been forced out of business.
 
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