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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

You could also just make your own pizza or get it from somewhere else. No one is denying you pizza, but denying you the pizza they made.

When did I mention that I was getting a pizza?
 
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Why not? FREE SPEECH :cool:

I would think the reason your side calls your opponents bigots is to gain the higher ground. If your opponents simply ignore the name calling it doesn't seem like you gain anything by doing it.
 
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I would think the reason your side calls your opponents bigots is to gain the higher ground. If your opponents simply ignore the name calling it doesn't seem like you gain anything by doing it.

Could say the same for your side. Circular argumentation.
 
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What is it now, over half a million?

The moment this story broke, as I expected, the left didn't hesitate to label the owners of that restaurant bigots and haters. At least this time there's no need for me to waste my time disagreeing with them, because folks from all over the country took care of that for me.

All those donation that keep pouring in make a hell of a lot better argument than I, or anyone else ever could. Just as every one of you know, the American people don't open their checkbooks and pour their hearts out to those who are intolerant, hateful or mistreat others... They're making it quite clear who the victims of hatred and intolerance are, as well as the ones who are inflicting it.

Donations are now closed at a total of $842,387. This gave us a chance to compare conservatism in action as opposed to liberalism in action
 
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Donations are now closed at a total of $842,387. This gave us a chance to compare conservatism in action as opposed to liberalism in action

Wait, what? :lamo
 
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Could say the same for your side. Circular argumentation.

How is my argument circular? The last time I checked the only argument your side has is that somehow you are owed service and that the law agrees with you. I must say both of those are very weak arguments and one of them is indeed circular. You can guess which one is circular on your own.
 
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How is my argument circular? The last time I checked the only argument your side has is that somehow you are owed service and that the law agrees with you. I must say both of those are very weak arguments and one of them is indeed circular. You can guess which one is circular on your own.

I was referencing your quote in regards to calling others bigots, both sides do name calling, welcome to politics. My argument is that businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate or refuse services to others based on that individuals sexuality/religion/etc.. Really? Remember the days of white only water fountains and restaurants? It's not a weak argument.
 
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I was referencing your quote in regards to calling others bigots, both sides do name calling, welcome to politics. My argument is that businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate or refuse services to others based on that individuals sexuality/religion/etc.. Really? Remember the days of white only water fountains and restaurants? It's not a weak argument.

You mean the days of Jim Crow? Gee, I wonder if Jim Crow laws were LAWS imposed on business. Hmm...
 
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Forcing people to act against their consciences, however, is

Discriminating against someone for something that is natural is not forcing tyranny on you.
 
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You mean the days of Jim Crow? Gee, I wonder if Jim Crow laws were LAWS imposed on business. Hmm...

Yes, and what kind of precadent are we going to be setting again with these so called "religious freedom" laws?
 
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Discriminating against someone for something that is natural is not forcing tyranny on you.

So forcing someone to provide someone else their labor is not tyranny?
Forcing someone to give up their property in trade to another person is not tyranny?
Forcing someone to provide service to someone else is not tyranny?

Well, we have a very different view on tyranny, mister anarchist.
 
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Yes, and what kind of precadent are we going to be setting again with these so called "religious freedom" laws?

I have little clue what you're getting at. Jim Crow laws were about forcing businesses to discriminate, not about freeing them from government force.
 
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Wait, I'm a bigot? I'm not intolerant towards others, I'm open to all opinions and people, doesn't mean I can't PERSONALLY dislike something, I wouldn't go as far as to deny a fundamentalist christian a pizza for their wedding. Call me a bigot if you want.

I wasn't referring to you personally in that post.. but yes, you're a bigot too.... we all are at one time or another.
 
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I wasn't referring to you personally in that post.. but yes, you're a bigot too.... we all are at one time or another.

I'm talking about publicly displaying that bigotry towards individuals.
 
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I have little clue what you're getting at. Jim Crow laws were about forcing businesses to discriminate, not about freeing them from government force.

What I'm getting at is that we can't allow businesses to have the option to discriminate at all.
 
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I'm talking about publicly displaying that bigotry towards individuals.

like the bigotry displayed towards the pizza parlor owners who never denied a pizza to anyone?
 
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What I'm getting at is that we can't allow businesses to have the option to discriminate at all.

Well, I disagree with that view strongly.
 
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It's not? This is new to me. Refusing to cater pizza at gay weddings isn't bigoted/intolerant? Hm, interesting.

I suppose you also believe that if a restaurant refused to cater a NAMBLA party, they would be intolerant, anti-gay bigots too... Right?
 
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What I'm getting at is that we can't allow businesses to have the option to discriminate at all.

sure we can.... though we should , and do, regulate discrimination for certain specific attributes.


there's all sorts of discrimination that is perfectly legal.... and even some of the types that are barred but only "kinda sorta" barred, but not for everyone. ( such as barring discrimination based on age).
 
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I suppose you also believe that if a restaurant refused to cater a NAMBLA party, they would be intolerant, anti-gay bigots too... Right?

There is a fundamental difference between a organization advocating pedophilia and 2 homosexual individuals.
 
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sure we can.... though we should , and do, regulate discrimination for certain specific attributes.


there's all sorts of discrimination that is perfectly legal.... and even some of the types that are barred but only "kinda sorta" barred, but not for everyone. ( such as barring discrimination based on age).

Is discrimination based on another's sexuality ok?
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What is it now, over half a million?

The moment this story broke, as I expected, the left didn't hesitate to label the owners of that restaurant bigots and haters. At least this time there's no need for me to waste my time disagreeing with them, because folks from all over the country took care of that for me.

All those donation that keep pouring in make a hell of a lot better argument than I, or anyone else ever could. Just as every one of you know, the American people don't open their checkbooks and pour their hearts out to those who are intolerant, hateful or mistreat others... They're making it quite clear who the victims of hatred and intolerance are, as well as the ones who are inflicting it.

yeah right, 1 bigot billionaire could be behind it for all we know

or they "donated" to themselves

the capitulation of "rfra" today is far far more important than what happens to some ****hole pizza shop
 
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Greetings, Grim17. :2wave:

Great post! Haven't talked with you in a while. Hope all is well with you and yours.

I think I read earlier that they had been given over $877,000 dollars before those handling the collections stopped accepting donations. Thousands of people from all over the country took part. :thumbs:

Good Evening polgara. I'm glad you liked the post.

There's nothing like a little reality check from the American public... They know intolerance and hatred when they see it, as their outpouring of monetary support for that restaurant makes clear.
 
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yeah right, 1 bigot billionaire could be behind it for all we know

or they "donated" to themselves

the capitulation of "rfra" today is far far more important than what happens to some ****hole pizza shop

:lol: Doubtful.
 
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