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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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The individual

So basically, anyone can start a religion with any set of rules, and those would be legit religious values?
 
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In some places in the middle east they behead homosexuals...and this gang wants to give them jobs.

I concede that Christians treat homosexuals better than ISIS. Have a cookie.
 
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So basically, anyone can start a religion with any set of rules, and those would be legit religious values?

Why don't you ask these atheists?

Church of Satan

Besides, its not like Christianity hasn't been around for 2000+ years...right? Nothing that is being talked about in this thread is new in regards to Christianity.
 
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Just because someone runs a pizza shop doesn't mean their catering business doesn't offer other selections. Libs make the lamest arguments.

Combat discrimination, with discrimination! :roll:

They don't cater at all and they didn't even say the words "cater" or "catering". She said " provide" pizza to a gay couple coming into the shop for their marriage/wedding. In other words, if a gay guy or lesbian came in to the pizzeria and ordered 20 pizzas from them, and the owners asked them, "having a party?". Guy/gal answers "yes I just got married back in the state my <husband/wife> is from and we wanted to celebrate our marriage here with our friends and family here", they would be refused service. Because that is very similar to what happened in the Colorado bakery case. (Now in this particular town, vying some very recent changes, the couple would almost certainly be lesbian in the case above since their demographics have them as having 0% gay men and only 0.7% or 0.07% gay women (maybe 14 or 2 lesbians).)
 
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Wrong. It's not an endorsement. Never has been.

A business selling a product it stocks to a customer has never been considered an endorsement of what the customer does with the product after it is purchased.



You were the one who brought up irrelevant schools.



Did I stutter?

Your link talks about the newlyweds cutting the cake and feeding it to each other. I must have missed the part where the talk about catering.

And the baker doesn't cut it and feed it to the newlyweds. And it's a cake, not a pizza.

You've gone from pizza, to catering, to caterers, to caterers sometimes supply cakes to "that means the pizza is religiously significant"

Do you really believe this somehow means catering a pizza makes it a religious practice?

Greetings, Sangha. :2wave:

I never felt particularly religious while eating a pizza! I must have missed a step somewhere along the way... I'll work on that! :mrgreen:
 
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You and I both know it would never, ever happen. Christians are the enemy here. Christians must realize that these rights have been established whether they approve or not, and they must honor them. There has been no foul here, but the mere mention of the fact that some hold beliefs which transcend secular society's norms and laws troubles the militant gay community greatly. It's not possible to force endorsement.

They can have any personal beliefs they want but wrapping it in religion is what is wrong. No one is asking someone to create a cake for a gay wedding and sign off on the marriage certificate. This is about commerce and the only versus in the bible that deal with commerce are about being fair in business to the people you trade with and your workers. There are a ton of versus regarding trading with people that you may not agree with. There's no verse that says "You can not trade cloth that will be used to worship an idol" but plenty of the Jews trading with other groups.
 
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Screw them. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

Thanks to the hateful intolerant bigoted disgusting low lifes threatening their lives and lively hood they can now buy as many beds as they see fit.

Nice ones too !
 
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They don't cater at all and they didn't even say the words "cater" or "catering". She said " provide" pizza to a gay couple coming into the shop for their marriage/wedding. In other words, if a gay guy or lesbian came in to the pizzeria and ordered 20 pizzas from them, and the owners asked them, "having a party?". Guy/gal answers "yes I just got married back in the state my <husband/wife> is from and we wanted to celebrate our marriage here with our friends and family here", they would be refused service. Because that is very similar to what happened in the Colorado bakery case. (Now in this particular town, vying some very recent changes, the couple would almost certainly be lesbian in the case above since their demographics have them as having 0% gay men and only 0.7% or 0.07% gay women (maybe 14 or 2 lesbians).)

Actually yes, they did say they wouldn't cater to a gay wedding as reported by the reporter that interviewed them.
 
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They can have any personal beliefs they want but wrapping it in religion is what is wrong. No one is asking someone to create a cake for a gay wedding and sign off on the marriage certificate. This is about commerce and the only versus in the bible that deal with commerce are about being fair in business to the people you trade with and your workers. There are a ton of versus regarding trading with people that you may not agree with. There's no verse that says "You can not trade cloth that will be used to worship an idol" but plenty of the Jews trading with other groups.

It is about commerce to YOU. Other people obviously feel otherwise. And who are you to tell people what they believe?
 
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Greetings, Sangha. :2wave:

I never felt particularly religious while eating a pizza! I must have missed a step somewhere along the way... I'll work on that! :mrgreen:

Come now Polgara, you know very well that it isn't about the pizza but about the service and endorsement beliefs.
 
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It is about commerce to YOU. Other people obviously feel otherwise. And who are you to tell people what they believe?

So we should have a different set of laws for each individual person based on what exactly they believe in? That's total chaos. There is no infringement on religion for someone selling something being used in a gay wedding. It's not just bad public policy it's bad theology.
 
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So we should have a different set of laws for each individual person based on what exactly they believe in? That's total chaos. There is no infringement on religion for someone selling something being used in a gay wedding. It's not just bad public policy it's bad theology.

Don't need a different set of laws for each individual. Just don't force business owners to provide service that they do not wish to provide. Simple as that.
 
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Actually yes, they did say they wouldn't cater to a gay wedding as reported by the reporter that interviewed them.

I watched the interview. That is not the wording the girl used.
 
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I watched the interview. That is not the wording the girl used.

You watched only part of an interview. The reporter went on to say that they would not cater to gay weddings.



Listen to what the reporter says at 0:59.
 
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And where in Jesus' teachings has he given you or anyone the right to judge the morality of others?

If you are an average person, you will tell a minimum of three lies a day. If you are a normal person you will look at a women covetously st least twice a day and think about sex about three times an hour.

Is that sinning no more?

I think we, as Christians need to remember Jesus hung out with the sinners and made fools of the self righteous, those who could not throw the first stone.

No where have I seen anything where he says we are the world's morality police, in fact, the opposite.

We are all sinner s. Sin no more means working on omitting sin from your life and walking with Christ. It's a long process for most of us.

Most of all Christ wanted us to obey the words of his Father. Buy practicing and supporting homosexuality, we are headed in the wrong direction.
 
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Don't need a different set of laws for each individual. Just don't force business owners to provide service that they do not wish to provide. Simple as that.

They don't have to. If they provide a service though they have to provide it to everyone. If you don't want to serve gay weddings don't provide services to wedding.

If someone decides they don't want to serve portions of the public does the public have the right to vote them out of that area...zoned to provide commerce for the public?
 
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If you believe I'm the devil, you've got bigger issues than pizza at gay weddings.

The Devil constantly whispers in your ear asking you to have doubt and give into temptation.

I know it's not you but, wha t you asked reminded me.
 
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You watched only part of an interview. The reporter went on to say that they would not cater to gay weddings.



Listen to what the reporter says at 0:59.


Which would be the reporter changing the wording of her response. The news reporter is putting words in the woman's mouth. And there are different ways to "cater" a wedding, including providing food in the way I described, simply picking up enough food for the people attending an event.

Are you saying that you honestly believe that the pizzeria wasn't talking about a refusal of a scenario I described?
 
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They don't have to. If they provide a service though they have to provide it to everyone. If you don't want to serve gay weddings don't provide services to wedding.

In other words people are required to give up their personal beliefs and everyone must think alike in order to own a business. Thanks but no thanks. Living in such a society would be extremely boring and extremely restrictive.

If someone decides they don't want to serve portions of the public does the public have the right to vote them out of that area...zoned to provide commerce for the public?

No, the public never has a right to violate individual Rights.
 
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Christians are always the enemy, Jesus has told us so many times.

I wonder if any Muslim owned establishments are serving gay and lesbian couples? Sikhs?

You will never see a protest there.

In some places in the middle east they behead homosexuals...and this gang wants to give them jobs.

Ahh yes, the old "liberals love Muslims" meme.

Also, do people really still believe the Fox News version of that "give them jobs" deal? Really? You never actually bothered to go watch the actual video and see what was actually said? Weren't you the least bit curious?
 
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Which would be the reporter changing the wording of her response. The news reporter is putting words in the woman's mouth. And there are different ways to "cater" a wedding, including providing food in the way I described, simply picking up enough food for the people attending an event.

Doing such would open them up to a libel lawsuit. Not going to happen.

Are you saying that you honestly believe that the pizzeria wasn't talking about a refusal of a scenario I described?

The store owner said it themselves. They would not refuse service to anyone that walked into their store to buy a pizza. So yes, they were not talking about your scenario.
 
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Closing isn't much of an issue for them. They raised 1/2 million dollars on the internet in one day from supporters. They can move elsewhere and open a serious restaurant. The bullies caused them to get a financial windfall from it.
 
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In other words people are required to give up their personal beliefs and everyone must think alike in order to own a business. Thanks but no thanks. Living in such a society would be extremely boring and extremely restrictive.

Selling a cake to someone does not equal giving up your own beliefs or change how you think. If you sell a shirt a Muslim wears to their Mosque does that make you a Muslim? Or any less of a Christian? Does it mean you can no longer believe anything you want? No, no, and no. It means you sold him a shirt.

No, the public never has a right to violate individual Rights.

A business does not have individual rights. You don't have to let blacks, gays, women, or anyone else into your home. Your private residence. You don't have to talk to gay people. When you open a business though and open it up to the public there's a different set of rules.
 
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Perhaps to send a clear message to the bitter angry hate filled intolerant gaystapo that they are tired of their bull****. Sort of like the Chik-Fil-A response.

So give them your money to make a point? I don't understand that line of thinking. If it's a politician, a charity, or a preacher it makes sense.

By this logic, I can have a profitable business by simply claiming I won't serve gays and then moan about how the ebil libruls are ruining me.
 
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Come now Polgara, you know very well that it isn't about the pizza but about the service and endorsement beliefs.

Good morning, Kal'Stang. :2wave:

I know. It's just unreal to me that the discussion about "rights" on this topic have deteriorated to this point in our Country. Emotion, rather than logic, seems to have taken over on what should be a dry legal matter. Maybe that's how things get handled these days, on both sides of the coin - create chaos to get attention. When I see the "pushback" that is taking place with the financial outpouring for the pizzeria, it appears that both sides are digging in their heels to show where they stand. What's next?
 
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