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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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You are absolutely right NP - How dare those blacks demand to sit next to us and eat at our white lunch counters. You think they would be happy sitting in the back with their own kind. You give them a foot and they want a mile. Disgusting.

To tell you the truth, from what I have hear from you, I would much prefer sitting next to a whole lot of Blacks I have known to having to eat lunch at the counter with you. ;)
 
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If you believe I'm the devil, you've got bigger issues than pizza at gay weddings.

Anyone that takes issue at a gay wedding without pizza really does have problems.
 
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mmmm.. militant rhetoric... this just gets better and better.

y'all are real heroes... condoning death threads, rationalizing terrorizing people, justifying and advocating for running innocent people out of business.

yeah...real Americans....:roll:

Nobody condoned death threats or violence. But if you want to know why gays have a problem with "Christians" then observe what "Christian" "Family" groups say about and advocate for regarding gay rights, gay marriage, homosexuality, etc.
 
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To tell you the truth, from what I have hear from you, I would much prefer sitting next to a whole lot of Blacks I have known to having to eat lunch at the counter with you. ;)

Oh the horror. From what I hear from you.....that would be downright disgusting if you had to do it.
 
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Last time I checked, slaves weren't allowed to open their own business, nor were they free to quit if they didn't like what the job required.

There is no servitude.

It is all a question of the property rights the state defines. There is no reason, why a slave should not be able to run a business.

But it you allow the state to suppress minorities adhering the call of their conscience by expressing their religious or political beliefs, you are well on your way down the path to serfdom. That is Political Science 101. And what is so appalling is that obviously this is happening viciously right now.
 
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Thats quite simply a lie. You dont see Christian groups going on crusades against homosexuals.You DO see Christian groups responding to the incessant attacks by bitter angry hate filled intolerant small little people.

Gay marriage has not been legal since this country was formed. Most people have believed and still do believe homosexuality is 'wrong' (including the current occupant of the WH). Most people arent running around venting hatred against homosexuals. Most arent launching diatribes and personal attacks. The same cant be said of a large number of people in the gay community.

We see it here on this site.

If I cared, I'd do a Google search of just what comes out of Bryan Fisher's mouth over at AFA. And then I could quote some lobbyists in Indiana, etc. Some of these groups are proudly anti-gay and proudly opposed to their interests. If you think it's a lie that "family" "Christian" groups don't oppose any public policy that would extend or guarantee rights for gays, then you're not paying attentioin. In the public arena, a small number of vocal and well funded "Christian" groups oppose EVERY proposal that would benefit the LGBT community, and favor many that are not in their best interests. Conservative "Christian" republicans like Pence have perfect 100%/0% records on issues of interest to LGBT. So a lot of this is just politics.

It's too bad that Christians may get defined by those intolerant blowhards, but you clearly have no problem defining gays and liberals by a small number of vocal liberals.
 
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Nobody condoned death threats or violence. But if you want to know why gays have a problem with "Christians" then observe what "Christian" "Family" groups say about and advocate for regarding gay rights, gay marriage, homosexuality, etc.



What about muslims? never hear about them having problems with muslims.
 
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Nobody condoned death threats or violence. But if you want to know why gays have a problem with "Christians" then observe what "Christian" "Family" groups say about and advocate for regarding gay rights, gay marriage, homosexuality, etc.

I know why some gays have a problem with some Christians...but it doesn't excuse the behavior targeted at these people.

notably absent in any of these debates here is liberals opposing the bullying and terrorizing of these pizza shop folks (who committed no act of discrimination)..... there is celebration, not condemnation.
 
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Wrong. It's not an endorsement. Never has been.

A business selling a product it stocks to a customer has never been considered an endorsement of what the customer does with the product after it is purchased.

Except catering a wedding isn't about JUST selling a product. It is also selling a service. Besides, when have you ever heard of a company not endorsing its products? If a company caters to weddings they are also endorsing weddings. Otherwise they wouldn't have gotten into the business of catering to weddings in the first place.

You were the one who brought up irrelevant schools.

No, I brought up endorsements. You're the one that made it about the schools.

Did I stutter?

Your link talks about the newlyweds cutting the cake and feeding it to each other. I must have missed the part where the talk about catering.

And the baker doesn't cut it and feed it to the newlyweds. And it's a cake, not a pizza.

You've gone from pizza, to catering, to caterers, to caterers sometimes supply cakes to "that means the pizza is religiously significant"

Do you really believe this somehow means catering a pizza makes it a religious practice?

Apparently you didn't read a word that was on that website. It explains the symbolism of a wedding cake. Which caterers often provide.
 
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ridiculous, $ justifies anything

change your lean to "libertarian" at least so i'll know to not bother in the future

Money justifies everything....Sounds like a line from the Godfather.
 
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I have trouble believing you actually believe they don't. It's been more than 50 years since the govt has been banning discrimination.

You have not presented any argument that shows the govt can't ban discrimination other than "They can't do that" while I have referred to the numerous laws which have withstood court challenges. Even the wingnut christians who want to discriminate aren't claiming that the govt doesn't have the power to ban discrimination against gays - they're only arguing that they should have a religious exemption from that ban.

If they believed as you do, they wouldn't have a passed a law granting an exemption for the religious; They would have filed a court case.

Again, just because the government does do something doesn't mean they actually can Constitutionally. And its not the first time that something unconstitutional has stayed on the books for decades.
 
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He is not me, and the govt handing out bibles at a public school to children is an entirely different thing than selling a pizza.

The lengths you are going to find something analogous to support the claim that catering is an endorsement goes to show just how tenous a grip on reality that argument has.

Except the government wasn't handing out bibles at public schools. Volunteers from churches do. Yet those against such acts say that its not allowed due to it being considered as an endorsement of religion by the government if the schools allow it.

And the lengths you are going to dismiss reality and other peoples views shows that you don't care about other peoples views. Just your own.
 
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Last time I checked, slaves weren't allowed to open their own business, nor were they free to quit if they didn't like what the job required.

There is no servitude.

Who said anything about slaves? There are more kinds of servitude than just slavery you know.
 
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I would love to see a same sex couple ask one then publicize it when they didn't.

I wonder if the reaction would be the same, I mean try to put them out of business or burn them down.

You and I both know it would never, ever happen. Christians are the enemy here. Christians must realize that these rights have been established whether they approve or not, and they must honor them. There has been no foul here, but the mere mention of the fact that some hold beliefs which transcend secular society's norms and laws troubles the militant gay community greatly. It's not possible to force endorsement.
 
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They are free to practice their religion

Not selling a pizza is not a religious practice

Though an argument could be made that bigotry is
You don't get to determine what another person considers a religious act
 
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C'mon Kal. You're smarter than that

This law isn't limited to pizzarias and I've already explained how such discrimination can affect commerce.
Maybe the real problem is single people. If people don't get married, there is no wedding to cater and thus commerce is harmed
 
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Except the government wasn't handing out bibles at public schools. Volunteers from churches do. Yet those against such acts say that its not allowed due to it being considered as an endorsement of religion by the government if the schools allow it.

And the lengths you are going to dismiss reality and other peoples views shows that you don't care about other peoples views. Just your own.

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NO, it's not an endorsement. Restaurants and caterers serve all sorts of people. It is not an endorsement of anything they do just as the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in.



A public school is not a commercial enterprise, and we're talking about adults getting married, not schoolchildren in school.



No, the cake is of no religious significance.
If he knows the buyer is going to use the bat to bash someone's head in, then he is endorsing violence if he sells the bat
 
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Who does?

The person who considers it a religious act. That should be obvious. Or do you wish to control what other people think and believe?
 
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The person who considers it a religious act. That should be obvious. Or do you wish to control what other people think and believe?
That's exactly what they want
 
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You and I both know it would never, ever happen. Christians are the enemy here. Christians must realize that these rights have been established whether they approve or not, and they must honor them. There has been no foul here, but the mere mention of the fact that some hold beliefs which transcend secular society's norms and laws troubles the militant gay community greatly. It's not possible to force endorsement.



Christians are always the enemy, Jesus has told us so many times.

I wonder if any Muslim owned establishments are serving gay and lesbian couples? Sikhs?

You will never see a protest there.

In some places in the middle east they behead homosexuals...and this gang wants to give them jobs.
 
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More Orwell....

Discrimination and bigotry have accepting meanings in common usage and how you're using those words ain't them.

Sure it has an accepted definition, but you seem not to realize that both sides are bigoted. This "I'm intolerant of the intolerant" philosophy of the left wing would be laughable if it wasn't so damaging.

The owner states their deeply held religious beliefs and the response from the left is to destroy, nothing even hinting at being constructive.
 
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