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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

ARealConservative said:
bigotry is an overused word by class-warfare hacks.

if I choose to only date women between the ages of 20-and 26, I'm practicing discrimination, and you could even argue I'm a bigot.

like the pizza joints discrimination, my discrimination is my right.
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More Orwell....

Discrimination and bigotry have accepting meanings in common usage and how you're using those words ain't them.
 
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Erod said:
Enough with the black-gay comparison. That's like comparing a water balloon fight with World War II.

Gay people can go eat lunch wherever they want. Nobody will know they're gay.....unless they absolutely want them to. If you're an attention whore, you don't get to choose the reaction you get.

Black people fought TRUE discrimination. Most of this gay "cause" is purely concocted, look-at-me nonsense.
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Sheesh, that's just so wrong. So, think of all the people you know and who you know are straight. They were all attention whores? After all, how could you know unless all those people were begging for attention about their straightness.... :roll:

Also, too, straight guy declares discrimination against groups he's not one of and is oblivious about says it's not bad at all... :lamo
 
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JasperL said:
Sheesh, that's just so wrong. So, think of all the people you know and who you know are straight. They were all attention whores? After all, how could you know unless all those people were begging for attention about their straightness.... :roll:

Also, too, straight guy declares discrimination against groups he's not one of and is oblivious about says it's not bad at all... :lamo
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So gay is now a "group"?

LOL
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Kal'Stang said:
Sorry but just because someone opens up a business does not mean that their rights to religion or free association goes away.
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But what religious right has been taken away from the business owner just by merely selling a product or service?

As for the business suffering, that's the owner of the businesses choice isn't it?
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And a rather stupid one at that! The customer's money is green no matter who he is. So, I'd think the business owner would need to get his priorities straight. Is he in business to make a profit or is he in business to make a religious point? If for profit, make the sell and be done with it. If for religious points of view, close shop and re-submit your business license as a non-profit 501(c)(3) religious organization...bka, a church.

I know this might be a foreign concept to some people but not everyone opens up a business just to make money.
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True. Most people start a business to fill a need and hopefully to make a profit. But unless yours is a religious affiliated entity, the "sins" of another or non-conformaty of the customer's religious beliefs to your own should never enter the buyer/seller equation. As such, this entire "religious freedom" thing from the business owners' perspective is BS! It's bigotry wrapped in perceived legitimacy.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are actually people out there that support actual RIGHTS. Not emotional appeals or belief systems based on emotion. Gays have a right to marry. Companies have a right to associate with who they want. NO ONE has a right to force a service from ANYONE. And if that means defending a companies right to discriminate against gays, blacks, whites or whatever then yes, I will do so. I won't give them my business. But I sure as hell will defend their Rights. Because those Rights are the same ones that I have and no way in hell am I going to give up ANY Right. No matter how messed up that Right can be used for. The only way that a Right can be abridged is if it harms someone. And denying a service does not harm ANYONE.
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To your last statement, I commend you for being willing to stand up on principle, but at some point you have to see the fallacy in your pursuit to defend both sides. You can't be a defender of gay rights and a defender of pro-business practices at any expense. At some point, something's got to give. Thus, I repeat: A gay or lesbian or Black person's money is just as green and spends just as quickly as any heterosexual person or White person. So, unless you're willing to step back from one or the other, be prepared to lose alot of money on an absurd principled conviction.
 
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JasperL said:
I'm not really inclined to argue this much more. NO ONE would write that the civil rights workers murdered in Alabama were "bigots." Just isn't how the word is used in the English language. Sorry.
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You are arguing from a losing position so it doesn't matter. the dictionary tells us what words mean not peoples personal opinions.



It makes perfect sense if you are not fluent in the language and/or therefore ignore the accepted usage of a word.
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which you are not doing. you are using an incorrect definition of the word as a way to obtain some moral high ground.
when shown what the word actually means you rant at rave because someone points out to you that you are not the tolerant person you think you are.

What you're arguing could apply to the term 'faggot.' It does have a meaning other than the slur, but in 2015 it has an accepted, common usage, and if you want to use it to describe something other than as a slur (e.g. a unit of measure of a bundle of sticks), then additional context is required.
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it depends on usuage. faggot is an old british word probably still used in the more rural parts.
that is totally irrelevant to this case though. while tolerance has multiple meanings for different situations. we know the definition of the word used in this case.

So if you're arguing it's possible to use "bigot" to refer to civil rights workers in Alabama, fine. But to use it in that context, you are obligated to provide that additional context - they were bigots because they were intolerant of stone cold racists in the South.
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I have mention nothing of this. I am telling you that people that call themselves tolerant but throw vile hate filled words at people with a different opinion are not tolerant but the exact opposite. which is correct usage based on the definition of the word. you are attempting to argue a strawman.

OK, so now someone who accepts people of all races, religions, sexual orientation and rejects white supremacy, racism, and homophobia isn't tolerant, we have to describe them as intolerant of intolerance. That's great. Yep, that's how the language is commonly used. Much better ... :roll:

Orwell is smiling!
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please see the definition of tolerance. I will post it again for you if you like.

a fair, and permissive attitude toward opinions, beliefs, and practices that differ from one's own.
 
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JasperL said:
More Orwell....

Discrimination and bigotry have accepting meanings in common usage and how you're using those words ain't them.
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Please see a dictionary. your personal opinion of what the word means is well useless.
 
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JasperL said:
Nature or nurture or both, there is simply no evidence that one can pray away the gay. If you don't think many gays have tried to BE straight, and would have given a great deal to be straight, you don't know many gay people very well. The idea that it's a choice just is contradicted by all the evidence.

And of course they CAN live a lie as a straight person, or celibate. Happens all the time. My brother tried it but decided it wasn't fair to him, his wife, or what would be their children to have to deceive them all, forever basically. It was also dishonest (in his view) in the most fundamental way. But I don't think that is what you meant.



But that's not unlike saying, "Well, Jews in country X have/had it better than they did in Nazi Germany, so what's the problem?"
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Pardon me, but your brother went as far as having children with a women before deciding he was a homosexual? IMO..he an ass to do that to those children and his Wife.

I said "in this country" because Gays try as they might to draw a comparison between the horrors of slavery and their being inconvenienced. Not happening.
 
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shrubnose said:
An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:

My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.
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Another notch in the belt of the witch-hunters :(.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

ludin said:
You are arguing from a losing position so it doesn't matter. the dictionary tells us what words mean not peoples personal opinions.

which you are not doing. you are using an incorrect definition of the word as a way to obtain some moral high ground.
when shown what the word actually means you rant at rave because someone points out to you that you are not the tolerant person you think you are.
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"MLK was an intolerant bigot!!" Sure, that's a perfectly acceptable use of those terms....

a fair, and permissive attitude toward opinions, beliefs, and practices that differ from one's own.
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Like I said, if I reject the attitudes of the KKK, under the new Orwellian definition of the terms I'm an intolerant bigot. Got it. Orwell is smiling.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

shrubnose said:
An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:

My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.
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Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

VanceMack said:
yep. Radio host interviews woman, woman responds to question, bitter angry hate filled intolerant harpies fall from the sky (like they always do) and store owner decides its not safe at this time to open the store.

What did we miss?
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Um.....perhaps the gender of the store owner. Which was what? DOH!
 
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Erod said:
Enough with the black-gay comparison. That's like comparing a water balloon fight with World War II.

Gay people can go eat lunch wherever they want. Nobody will know they're gay.....unless they absolutely want them to. If you're an attention whore, you don't get to choose the reaction you get.

Black people fought TRUE discrimination. Most of this gay "cause" is purely concocted, look-at-me nonsense.
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Shows how little you really now. The comparison is valid whether you choose to dismiss it...sorry Charlie.
 
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disneydude said:
Um.....perhaps the gender of the store owner. Which was what? DOH!
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What gender was the daughter of the store owner that made the comments that caused you to **** yourself? Again?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
You do realize they closed due to death threats. Are you really cheering for this?
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Cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it. I have zero tolerance for that kind of attitude.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Once again, I'm struck by what the **** is going on in America these days. It's as if there's been a collective brain cramp.

Don't people in America understand that bigotry in the name of religion is why the world has the Middle East and ISIS?
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God destroyed the entire population [give or take a few] after he saw that one heeded his word any longer.

By letting one deviant, sinful group after another have sway over the hearts and minds of this country, we are setting ourselves up for his wrath once again.

Call me crazy but, I personally would rather not see that in my lifetime.
 
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Phys251 said:
Cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it. I have zero tolerance for that kind of attitude.
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zero tolerance on the internet isn't impressive bro.


Supporting death threats made against those you disagree with seems........ intolerant.
 
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VanceMack said:
What gender was the daughter of the store owner that made the comments that caused you to **** yourself? Again?
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Too funny. Just admit you were wrong and move on. You shuffling and floundering is quite unattractive. I already mentioned that the daughter made the comments...her father the store owner closed the shop. But you were so quick to think you were sly....but forgot to do one thing....read the articles and get the facts before you started spouting off. That's what usually happens when you open your mouth without knowing what you are talking about. Lesson learned?
 
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WCH said:
Pardon me, but your brother went as far as having children with a women before deciding he was a homosexual? IMO..he an ass to do that to those children and his Wife.
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It's a long story, but I thought "would be" children was clear enough. The point was he wanted a 'traditional family' and the 'traditional life' and dated his wife for years KNOWING he was gay and had he stayed married (he didn't) they'd have had children. But that wasn't possible, he WAS gay, tried like hell to BE straight and finally accepted it was impossible - he WAS gay, period.

And what I don't know is what you'd expect of him. The only options I know of are, 1) live a lie as a straight person, 2) live openly gay and with whom he loves (what you call a "deviant lifestyle"), or 3) live a life alone without intimacy. I cannot EXPECT anyone to live a life alone. You must. I don't think that's a fair expectation or demand from the perspective of religion.

I said "in this country" because Gays try as they might to draw a comparison between the horrors of slavery and their being inconvenienced. Not happening.
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It's more than inconvenience. I'd go into it more, but if you're actually interested in knowing why and how you're wrong, you'll seek that information out on your own.
 
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WCH said:
God destroyed the entire population [give or take a few] after he saw that one heeded his word any longer.

By letting one deviant, sinful group after another have sway over the hearts and minds of this country, we are setting ourselves up for his wrath once again.

Call me crazy but, I personally would rather not see that in my lifetime.
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I so would!

That would be ****in awesome.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
zero tolerance on the internet isn't impressive bro.


Supporting death threats made against those you disagree with seems........ intolerant.
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Oh, the irony of you blathering about that--not to mentioning, giving false testimony about my position--when you have a pro-violence avatar and signature. Why don't you follow Jesus's directions in Matthew 7 to take the plank out of your eye before trying to take any specks out of mine? Why don't you obey the Commandments about "thou shalt not give false testimony against thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not murder"? And you do know what Jesus said about hate and murder, right?
 
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Phys251 said:
Oh, the irony of you blathering about that--not to mentioning, giving false testimony about my position--when you have a pro-violence avatar and signature. Why don't you follow Jesus's directions in Matthew 7 to take the plank out of your eye before trying to take any specks out of mine? Why don't you obey the Commandments about "thou shalt not give false testimony against thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not murder"? And you do know what Jesus said about hate and murder, right?
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Bro, Only Odin can judge me.
 
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Fletch said:
Hmmm. My I-phone has a camera and I want to hereby announce to the world that I refuse to photograph any gay weddings.

Now, Ill just sit back and wait for the cash to roll in...
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That's not exactly how it works.

You have to get a number of death threats and have at least one Homosexual picket your house.

Then you might get the money. ;)
 
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