- Joined
- Mar 27, 2014
- Messages
- 63,616
- Reaction score
- 33,642
- Location
- Tennessee
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Undisclosed
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed
Nature or nurture or both, there is simply no evidence that one can pray away the gay. If you don't think many gays have tried to BE straight, and would have given a great deal to be straight, you don't know many gay people very well. The idea that it's a choice just is contradicted by all the evidence.
And of course they CAN live a lie as a straight person, or celibate. Happens all the time. My brother tried it but decided it wasn't fair to him, his wife, or what would be their children to have to deceive them all, forever basically. It was also dishonest (in his view) in the most fundamental way. But I don't think that is what you meant.
But that's not unlike saying, "Well, Jews in country X have/had it better than they did in Nazi Germany, so what's the problem?"
I don't believe our creator would allow someone to be born in such a way they would be forced to live a deviant lifestyle. (In his eyes)
Nature or nurture or both, there is simply no evidence that one can pray away the gay. If you don't think many gays have tried to BE straight, and would have given a great deal to be straight, you don't know many gay people very well. The idea that it's a choice just is contradicted by all the evidence.
And of course they CAN live a lie as a straight person, or celibate. Happens all the time. My brother tried it but decided it wasn't fair to him, his wife, or what would be their children to have to deceive them all, forever basically. It was also dishonest (in his view) in the most fundamental way. But I don't think that is what you meant.
I also do not recognize any analogy that involves the plight of Black with that of the homosexuals. Imo, it's beyond comparison in this country.
But that's not unlike saying, "Well, Jews in country X have/had it better than they did in Nazi Germany, so what's the problem?"