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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is being a teenage boy sinful? I don't know. I have 3 of them. Was I supposed to eliminate them before they got to be teenagers?

    Is being fat sinful? Not sure. Ask the food police. They sure don't like obese people.

    Lazy? Hell, everyone's too lazy these days. I don't even write Christmas Cards anymore. I buy them preprinted with our names on them.
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    It has always seemed odd to me that I had more free time prior to all the "labor-saving" devices I now own. I figure it's the internet's fault. It seems to make the clock hands move faster! Weird, huh? :

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dont be foolish. There are more than a few that weep and wail and gnash their teeth at any and everyone that dares to not cave and capitulate
    That sounds like a good description of the bigoted christians.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Sure you did. You said such a govt would be illegitimate.

    The word has a meaning.
    It is not legitimate use of government force to use the guns of government against one's freedom and liberty. But it can be done, and it can be called for, endorsed, and implemented. We've seen it many many times throughout the history of mankind. It's just a true statement. I'm not saying you cannot desire illegitimate government force, or even have good intentions with it; but it doesn't change the nature. And you can have all the illegitimate government force you want so long as you leave me out of it. People can have any government they want, but if you make on based on illegitimate government force, it's likely not going to end in any sort of happy place.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The personality of God......

    A wise scholar once said to me "God created us in his own image, and we immediately returned the favor." How we limit God, make him smaller, human and "mistake" prone "why does God allow evil? He is so cruel."

    We forget we are the evil, if He were to get rid of all sinners, you and I are screwed, and I'm not sure about you. God does not punish, that is a quality of man, "revenge is mine, says the Lord" means no. What bothers me most is that the Bible is taken literally in all cases as "the word of God" and somehow this is law. There are only ten handed down by God, the rest is man made, circumcision is a man made rite like Holy Communion, stuff we invent to make us feel more holy.

    But Jesus forgave his disciples as he handed them his blood and his wine, said nothing about priests, and later mischievously and lovingly toyed with Peter after the latter had denied him three times. There was no "You're dead meat now Pete" in there but a mysterious "Feed my sheep".

    We get God wrong a lot, all of us, in history and in the Bible, a lot of those verses calling for war are not words spoken by God, but spoken of God by a desperate people with no land of their own and enemies on all sides. It has taken a thousand years to get some of the Church out of the middle ages mind set, some still have to have priests in women's clothes and statues dripping with blood. The truth is we need none of it, and we should know that.

    So it we can't agree or even get right how to love this guy, how in the world can anyone ever be sure they know what is God's plan?
    We fundamentally can't know or understand God's plan. We've been given all that our understanding can contemplate - the rest we must accommodate with faith. God is available to all humankind - that no priest or minister is required.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You have protections for your religion. As have in Canada.
    But it stops when you are practicing discriminating while in business.
    Your problem is that you believe business should be able to practice discrimination, based upon their personal religious beliefs.
    The Constitution does indeed protect the exercise of religion while operating a business. Any law to the contrary is unconstitutional

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is not legitimate use of government force to use the guns of government against one's freedom and liberty.
    Yes, when the govt uses a power the people agreed to give them, it's against freedom and liberty

    because people can make any agreement they want, unless it's an agreement to form a govt the libertarian authoritarians don't like.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So, have we got a verdict yet?



    DOES the pizza joint serve fat people, or lazy people, or teenage boys, etc?
    According to the owners, they serve everyone

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, when the govt uses a power the people agreed to give them, it's against freedom and liberty

    because people can make any agreement they want, unless it's an agreement to form a govt the libertarian authoritarians don't like.
    Sometimes, yes, tyranny of the majority, mob rule; these things do exist. Do you deny that?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.
    Here's the thing, you can be as prejudiced as you want in your personal life. That's just freedom of association, however, if you are going to set up shop (literally in this sense) in a town, a public area, then you have to be open to everyone, not just the people who you want.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Here's the thing, you can be as prejudiced as you want in your personal life. That's just freedom of association, however, if you are going to set up shop (literally in this sense) in a town, a public area, then you have to be open to everyone, not just the people who you want.
    That's still tyranny

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