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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Agreed, and it includes any who's reputation could suffer thereby implicating Obama by association. So Harry Reid gets a pass for lying directly out of his ass.



    Waaaay too many Christians lose sight of the above truth.



    Agreed. We, as humans, know next to nothing and much of what we do know is worthless. Pretending to know that which we cannot does not advance Christianity. In fact, it does untold harm. Attributing every violent act of nature to God's punishment just drives me crazy, as does the spiritual condemnation of sinners.



    We are cautioned against such judgement.



    It looks to me like an Inquisition whereby we must remove your entrails in order to determine your innocence or guilt. I understand a large amount of money has been donated to the restaurant, and I sincerely hope that the would be arsonists and the other militants understand they don't control what they think they do.

    The personality of God......

    A wise scholar once said to me "God created us in his own image, and we immediately returned the favor." How we limit God, make him smaller, human and "mistake" prone "why does God allow evil? He is so cruel."

    We forget we are the evil, if He were to get rid of all sinners, you and I are screwed, and I'm not sure about you. God does not punish, that is a quality of man, "revenge is mine, says the Lord" means no. What bothers me most is that the Bible is taken literally in all cases as "the word of God" and somehow this is law. There are only ten handed down by God, the rest is man made, circumcision is a man made rite like Holy Communion, stuff we invent to make us feel more holy.

    But Jesus forgave his disciples as he handed them his blood and his wine, said nothing about priests, and later mischievously and lovingly toyed with Peter after the latter had denied him three times. There was no "You're dead meat now Pete" in there but a mysterious "Feed my sheep".

    We get God wrong a lot, all of us, in history and in the Bible, a lot of those verses calling for war are not words spoken by God, but spoken of God by a desperate people with no land of their own and enemies on all sides. It has taken a thousand years to get some of the Church out of the middle ages mind set, some still have to have priests in women's clothes and statues dripping with blood. The truth is we need none of it, and we should know that.

    So it we can't agree or even get right how to love this guy, how in the world can anyone ever be sure they know what is God's plan?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The Apostle, Paul said to man, "You can't live a life of celibacy it's better that you marry." So, even he knew that not all men can live a life alone without intimacy. Of course, in his day he was referring to men marrying women not man marrying man or woman marrying woman. Still from a moral standpoint we can ask all gays and lesbians to abstain (repent) from this immoral (sinful) behavior, but it's highly doubtful those who live such a lifestyle will "keep it in the closet" throughout their lives. And you really can't expect them to.

    Man is a social creature. We need to be around others. We need intimacy. It's just how we're built. The hope is that "man will leave his father and his mother's house, cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh," but sometimes that just doesn't happen...well, at least not in the way it was intended.


    I have posed this question to Paulean moralists....

    Which is worse in the eyes of God, a man and a woman living together as man and wife and not married, adultery, or gay a gay marriage, where two people have made a spiritual commitment to God?

    Most smart theologians will say both are equally ugly under God.

    So, then my question is "what happens then to all those priests in the middle ages who had "housekeepers" and fathered bastard children? Surnames like "Church", "Priest", "Priestly" are said to originate from that practice which went on from the fall of Rome to the enlightenment.
    "Small people talk about people, average people talk about events, great people talk about ideas" Eleanor Roosevelt

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, I don't.

    The courts do.
    No, they don't

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Idiotic analogy

    Assault is illegal. SSM is not.

    Not anymore
    It isn't about the legality, it's about the morality. The pizza shop owner never said he wouldn't cater a same sex wedding because same sex marriages are illegal

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Really? I'd say not giving a **** about it was weird.

    yeah.. really... it's 2015, not 1865.... you can care about it without being obsessed and bringing it up in every topic.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    You don't get to determine what another person considers a religious act
    As was mentioned the courts and society as a whole. What society swept under the carpet decades ago, blatant discrimination against the disabled for one, gays for another is no longer tolerated.
    Nor should it be.
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    'Secular progressives' -the new boogeyman for the Extreme Right. Used to be those commies but now it's those 'secular progressives'. Do you check under the bed each night for them as you used to do for the dreaded commies?
    secular progressive.. commie...same diff.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    As was mentioned the courts and society as a whole. What society swept under the carpet decades ago, blatant discrimination against the disabled for one, gays for another is no longer tolerated.
    Nor should it be.
    Again, neither the courts nor society get to decide for an individual what is a religious exercise to him

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    LMAO Defend marriage, reparative therapy works ohhhh rah!
    Defend marriage is not an attack...its a defense of status quo. I don't care what you do in your private time or who you do it with. We have already established you can be as gay as you want to be. Won't make it right or 'normal' but you should still feel free to be gay. No one is trying to prevent that.

    How many people do you see banging that reparative therapy drum?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    secular progressive.. commie...same diff.
    Speaking of commies, Obama hasn't checked in on the pizza shop incident yet. Anybody else see an IRS audit in their future. Maybe a visit from OSHA and a couple more alphabet agencies. I'm sure the NSA has a lock on them

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