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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And blacks at 'their' pizza parlors...

    Course no gay folks came to the parlor to buy pizza, the owner stated she wouldn't provide pizza for a gay wedding- no mention of taking gay folk's money if they eat the pizza at home...
    She finds nothing sinful about homosexuals eating pizza at home. She does find something sinful about homosexuals eating pizza in celebration of a homosexual wedding. Sounds fair to me

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What utter bull****.

    Liberals as you call them in the US have been attacking "God" in the form of the Christian church for over a century. Prayer in school? hell no! But break five times a day for Muslims is a right.

    And since when are Muslims a minority? Islam is the largest religion in the world and the only one with global supremacy through war as its foundation. When was the last time anyone of you pointed out the harsh treatment of gays and lesbians in Islamic countries? And I thought Liberals were all about protecting the rights of minorities.

    We have a war against Christian symbolism of Christmas but gee, no one gets excited about the Roman Paganism represented in the Supreme Court or it's Titan goddess "Lady Liberty" nee "Justicia, the goddess of retribution and justice.

    The head "liberal" in the White House justifies beheadings and burning people alive while his followers rail at Bibles in schools.

    Don't try to give me any crap about Christians not being persecuted in America.

    Or does your "caring" stop at the US border?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Funny, just two days ago, liberals of all stripes were clamoring about how the market was making itself heard with regard to this pizza shop, and now you're all butt hurt that the market is making itself heard.. Jees man, get your stories straight..


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    The market would be based on how good their pizza is. None of us know how good it is.

    The lemmings are predictably lining up to give them money, not for any market based reason but because they're the RW heroes of the week.


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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Has the "divide" always existed, but now it's okay to riot and burn buildings to the ground if you feel like it? I agree that it's being fed, but we used to be more law-abiding in the past. There will always be more "have-nots" than "haves," and those are the ones being targeted to achieve some sort of an agenda objective. Why? Do they want martial law to be declared, like we're some sort of third world country, or Nazi Germany, or is there more to it in their grand scheme? Everyone is constantly being kept on edge, on both sides, by propaganda rhetoric - why is this happening in America at this point in time? It's almost like desperation has set in for certain people, and they've decided to go for broke - the H*** with our laws! What's it going to be like in this Country if China and Russia and many other countries succeed in making our dollar worthless? Will people finally wake up when they see their standard of living drop like a rock? That could be our future, and it will affect everyone, haves and have-nots alike! ..


    Its a matter of empowerment. "we won, you lost, shut up"

    It's like the proverbial frog in a cup of cold water, he will be happy all the while the water turns to a boil and never notice, as opposed to leaping out if you thew him in to already hot water. The 'divide' of haves and have nots has always been there and always will, this is not about the divide, but power. We have it, you don't and we are "right", we have a "just cause", which every war ever waged started out with something "just" but has become a grotesque.

    And not to put too fine a spin on it, but America has become a nation feeding on itself. Never in history has there ever been a president more obsessed with his "enemies". Obama has spent more of the nation's resources fighting Republicans than all the wars, war on poverty, war on drugs, war on illiteracy, war on terror..." combined.

    And the "stupid voter" has eaten it up, loved it so much he maintains an approval rating above 30% when he should be gone. A shooting of a congresswoman in Texas has to become Sarah Palin's fault, a race riot?, anything that happens become a split...from speeches by foreign leaders to oil pipelines, the wedge has to be driven in deeper, no compromise, not prisoners.

    What it's going to be like if China, Russia or Canada invades is exactly what you have now. The enemy is already at the gates, but you can't call them "radical Islam."

    When the twin towers came down the nation appeared leaderless for a few hours, then a fumbling apparently doltish president rallied a nation as one to fight back against a common enemy. Now, the enemy is pressing at a distant gate and the nation is in two parts, more disunited than it has ever been.

    What happened? A very vain, inexperienced, lazy hot shot who hates details got the top job because the American voter became so recognizably "stupid" that anyone with good looks and a gift for lying could win. You elected a snake oil salesman.....twice.

    And it won't likely get any better if the Democrats are rewarded again, worse in fact. What is needed is a moderate and I'm not sure if the nation can tolerate that now with so many resentments built up.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    "Believe what we tell you to believe, and disregard what you see with your own eyes! That's an order... disobey at your own peril!" Have I got it right?
    Yep, pretty close.

    "believe what we tell you" works the more stupid is the voter, to the point that one day you can claim there is no persecution of Christians at all.

    You see, when what we tell you is all you know, then you have to believe everything they tell you. that's why they hate Fox News. it creates thought, and thought leads to questions, and questions lead to independent thought which lead to more questions that we can't answer, like how terrorism has grown under Obama and no one really notices....?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What utter bull****.

    Liberals as you call them in the US have been attacking "God" in the form of the Christian church for over a century. Prayer in school? hell no! But break five times a day for Muslims is a right.

    And since when are Muslims a minority? Islam is the largest religion in the world and the only one with global supremacy through war as its foundation. When was the last time anyone of you pointed out the harsh treatment of gays and lesbians in Islamic countries? And I thought Liberals were all about protecting the rights of minorities.

    We have a war against Christian symbolism of Christmas but gee, no one gets excited about the Roman Paganism represented in the Supreme Court or it's Titan goddess "Lady Liberty" nee "Justicia, the goddess of retribution and justice.

    The head "liberal" in the White House justifies beheadings and burning people alive while his followers rail at Bibles in schools.

    Don't try to give me any crap about Christians not being persecuted in America.

    Or does your "caring" stop at the US border?
    Your response to my earlier post is filled with even more " bull****" as it attempts to redirect from a very USA-directed response which had little connection with the rest of the world as a former "journalist" should have noted from the qualifying statement "at least in America"

    Give us your best examples of "Christian persecution" in America.

    Yeah, us "Liberals" have been attacking Christianity for a while
    But every state, says an inquisitor, has established some religion. No two, say I, have established the same. Is this a proof of the infallibility of establishments?
    -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
    The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man.
    -- Thomas Jefferson, to Jeremiah Moor, 1800
    I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
    -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 1799
    Give us the words of the President in which he "justifies beheadings and burning people alive"

    Where is this "war against Christmas"? Why are you using the deliberately inflammatory phrasing of a certain media bloviator?

    No one is getting excited, well most of us aren't anyway, about the symbolic Roman paganism of Justice.

    Allowing Muslim students to pray once a day during school hours is one of those religious freedom things Americans are guaranteed. There are five prayers a day (Salat) but four of them are performed at times students aren't normally in school classrooms, the one noontime prayer would be at lunch times so again it would not disturb normal study times.

    Yes Muslims number in the billions but not in the US, which was the intent of my earlier post.

    Why are you so upset that you completely misconstrued what I wrote?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's a long story, but I thought "would be" children was clear enough. The point was he wanted a 'traditional family' and the 'traditional life' and dated his wife for years KNOWING he was gay and had he stayed married (he didn't) they'd have had children. But that wasn't possible, he WAS gay, tried like hell to BE straight and finally accepted it was impossible - he WAS gay, period.

    And what I don't know is what you'd expect of him. The only options I know of are, 1) live a lie as a straight person, 2) live openly gay and with whom he loves (what you call a "deviant lifestyle"), or 3) live a life alone without intimacy. I cannot EXPECT anyone to live a life alone. You must. I don't think that's a fair expectation or demand from the perspective of religion.
    The Apostle, Paul said to man, "You can't live a life of celibacy it's better that you marry." So, even he knew that not all men can live a life alone without intimacy. Of course, in his day he was referring to men marrying women not man marrying man or woman marrying woman. Still from a moral standpoint we can ask all gays and lesbians to abstain (repent) from this immoral (sinful) behavior, but it's highly doubtful those who live such a lifestyle will "keep it in the closet" throughout their lives. And you really can't expect them to.

    Man is a social creature. We need to be around others. We need intimacy. It's just how we're built. The hope is that "man will leave his father and his mother's house, cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh," but sometimes that just doesn't happen...well, at least not in the way it was intended.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Let me run this past y'all.

    Suppose I, as a business owner of faith,decided I would bake the SSM cake but, would charge 3X my usual price [a Muslim sin tax if you will]

    Would the Homosexual agendites agree to my terms or simply move along to the next baker?
    Kinda depends on whether or not they find another baker who was willing to bake their cake to their exact specifications and charge the same price or less for it OR if their baker was the Cake Boss and was willing to bake them an awesome cake at X4 the price.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except catering a wedding isn't about JUST selling a product. It is also selling a service. Besides, when have you ever heard of a company not endorsing its products? If a company caters to weddings they are also endorsing weddings. Otherwise they wouldn't have gotten into the business of catering to weddings in the first place.
    The service a business sells is not an endorsement. The plumber who fixes the pipes in a strip joint is not endorsing the strip joint. And the service the plumber is "endorsing" is his own work, not what his customer does.

    Again, there is no legal, moral, nor even a logical, basis upon which to claim that a business endorses what a customer does with its' good and services.

    And people go into the catering business to make money and not to endorse events.


    No, I brought up endorsements. You're the one that made it about the schools.
    No, you're the one that first mentioned schools. Here's the link to your post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    ....
    Apparently you didn't read a word that was on that website. It explains the symbolism of a wedding cake. Which caterers often provide.
    I read it. It said nothing about the caterer doing anything of religious significance. It spoke only about the newlyweds cutting and eating the cake. The caterer has nothing to do with it, and we're not talking about cakes. We're talking about pizzas. Those are pies, not cakes.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again, just because the government does do something doesn't mean they actually can Constitutionally.
    It does when the court finds the law constitutional

    And its not the first time that something unconstitutional has stayed on the books for decades.
    And until it does, the law is constitutional. Seperate but equal was constitutional, until it wasn't.
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