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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In case you didn't notice or didn't read far enough that particular post was designed to illicit a type of response. Which it did quite nicely in SMTA's post following that particular post. If forced to provide a service that they don't wish to provide then yes they are. Just like serfs were forced to provide for the Lords back in the medieval days.
    I'd say calling other lacking in knowledge when your post does exactly that a rather ignorant use of debate ahhhh 'skills'...

    Again you lack all but a basic understanding of serfs and our history. If you draw a paycheck you are being 'forced' to support many 'lords' (FYI a customer in your business isn't a Lord as you don't pay him anything to work there, need his annual bonifide to continue the shop, nor provide him labor at the Keep each year- quite the opposite... do try and get the relationship correct, CON mindset can only explain so much lack of knowledge)

    So a black man was a white waitresses Lord back in the day?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why would American Liberals have much to say about Muslims, when said religious group is so small in numbers, few people have interactions with Muslims, whether social or business.
    First, because it's a religion that places God above all else. Second, when did liberals abandon a minority?

    American Liberals only have things to say about SOME who call themselves Christian. There are very few who attack or denigrate all who call themselves Christian and then there is the ever so small matter that many Liberals are Christians.
    It seems to me that liberals express the objection to Christians that believe that thing I mentioned above as "first".

    For SOME who call themselves Christian seemingly are incapable of seeing any other person as Christian if that other person doesn't believe exactly the same things about their religion.
    There are people who falsely claim many things - it's not limited to Christians, Muslims, liberals or conservatives.

    The whole "Christians are being persecuted" meme is derived solely from a world view based on fantasy - at least in America.
    Then why did that reporter from ABC venture in that particular pizza shop and ask that particular question - hypothetically, even?

    The "Liberals say nothing about Muslims" meme denies the efforts by Liberals in those parts of the world where Islamic fundamentalism does such great harm
    True, but I'm unaware of any outstanding effort in that regard. Perhaps I'm just ignorant of all of that effort. It appears to all the world that we in the US are in the process of withdrawing from the region from which such fundamentalism is spawned.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is called test cases and the CONs rail for someone to test companies over gun restrictions or the laws they disagree with. Deliberate, focussed and for a goal beyond a pizza...

    The pizza shop owners could have simply said no comment but they (she) chose to put her opinion front and center.

    They should take religious comfort that they too face the angry philistines but unlike the One they claim to follow they won't be up on some wood for 3 days to think about it....
    I don't share your optimism over their personal safety...they didn't close down because of amicable disagreements, the closed down due to threats.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it is a pretty irrational view. So why force people to go against what they believe?
    Now we circle back to how our conversation started...because which laws apply to you can't be based on everyone's personal beliefs.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Sigh... more CON spin-

    Do you believe in all forms welfare? Do you pay taxes to support welfare?

    If someone doesn't believe in interracial marriage should they be forced to wait on such a couple in a restaurant?

    Can a fundie doctor refuse to attend a badly hurt gay man?

    We are constantly 'forced' to do things we'd rather not or don't believe in.

    It;s called putting on your big boy pants and living in the real world rather than a false narrative the CONs love to spin about 'freedoms'....
    Speaking of putting your big boy pants on, why not just have homosexuals buy pizzas for their weddings from a pizza parlor that wants to provide them with pizzas?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes actually they did state their religious beliefs. And it is that religious belief that is the reasoning behind their discrimination.
    Ok, they did both, but the reaction was to an intended ACT of discrimination.

    And frankly I'm not sure why anyone should care why someone says they (intend to) discriminate. It's not 'better' if there's a religious sheen on it versus the person just doesn't like homos, and even if it was 'better' how is a person to know the actual reason?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm not a Conservative. Nope. As I've been saying. No one should be forced to do what they do not want to do. Hippocratic Oath. They willingly gave up that right when they swore that oath. I'm not. We're talking about Rights. Not freedoms.
    But ya quack like a duck, and waddle a bit...

    So you don't pay taxes?

    So the draft back in WWII was wrong in your opinion? Your opinion reminds me of my daughter when she didn't want to do a chore or go to bed early. Not realistic, not mature, more a pipe dream than a way to run a diverse and complex society.

    The hippocratic oath carries no legal weight- a doctor can refuse to see welfare, medicare, medicaid patients- there is no law against it and they can do so as they see fit. More lack of knowledge and an over simplistic viewpoint- why should a doctor be 'forced' to do something he/she doesn't wish to do when you want that 'right'?

    The Right to equal treatment. In the REAL world a business open to the general public must serve all of those who obey the laws/ordinances

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Speaking of putting your big boy pants on, why not just have homosexuals buy pizzas for their weddings from a pizza parlor that wants to provide them with pizzas?
    And blacks at 'their' pizza parlors...

    Course no gay folks came to the parlor to buy pizza, the owner stated she wouldn't provide pizza for a gay wedding- no mention of taking gay folk's money if they eat the pizza at home...

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    In sociological terms the heightened reactions are a result of a deepening divide.

    As the nation see its leaders engage in childish name calling and bully tactics in DC, they grow more and more resentful of the "other" side, and more easily become hysterical, which for the left is never a long trip, go to a labor rally and listen to some speeches.

    The nation has had six years of confrontation on just about every file. Ferguson becomes a bigger issue because the first black president has to face it somehow. Having promised everything to everyone on every file, a simple shooting becomes a right-left issue because of a push for gun control.

    And anytime there is push, there is push back. It grows more severe as one side sees itself as being pushed into too many corners, 'Damn now we can't even say "no" to a customer for any reason if they're ______________ fill in the blank.'

    and then there is the aspect, for both sides, that they have a "just cause" whether it be middle ages Biblical morality or a hysterical reaction to a predatory planted question designed to pull some triggers......the perfect storm if you will, and a race baited, hyper sensitive "stupid voter" waiting to be fed a reason....
    Has the "divide" always existed, but now it's okay to riot and burn buildings to the ground if you feel like it? I agree that it's being fed, but we used to be more law-abiding in the past. There will always be more "have-nots" than "haves," and those are the ones being targeted to achieve some sort of an agenda objective. Why? Do they want martial law to be declared, like we're some sort of third world country, or Nazi Germany, or is there more to it in their grand scheme? Everyone is constantly being kept on edge, on both sides, by propaganda rhetoric - why is this happening in America at this point in time? It's almost like desperation has set in for certain people, and they've decided to go for broke - the H*** with our laws! What's it going to be like in this Country if China and Russia and many other countries succeed in making our dollar worthless? Will people finally wake up when they see their standard of living drop like a rock? That could be our future, and it will affect everyone, haves and have-nots alike! ..

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why would American Liberals have much to say about Muslims, when said religious group is so small in numbers, few people have interactions with Muslims, whether social or business.

    American Liberals only have things to say about SOME who call themselves Christian. There are very few who attack or denigrate all who call themselves Christian and then there is the ever so small matter that many Liberals are Christians.

    For SOME who call themselves Christian seemingly are incapable of seeing any other person as Christian if that other person doesn't believe exactly the same things about their religion.

    The whole "Christians are being persecuted" meme is derived solely from a world view based on fantasy - at least in America.

    The "Liberals say nothing about Muslims" meme denies the efforts by Liberals in those parts of the world where Islamic fundamentalism does such great harm


    What utter bull****.

    Liberals as you call them in the US have been attacking "God" in the form of the Christian church for over a century. Prayer in school? hell no! But break five times a day for Muslims is a right.

    And since when are Muslims a minority? Islam is the largest religion in the world and the only one with global supremacy through war as its foundation. When was the last time anyone of you pointed out the harsh treatment of gays and lesbians in Islamic countries? And I thought Liberals were all about protecting the rights of minorities.

    We have a war against Christian symbolism of Christmas but gee, no one gets excited about the Roman Paganism represented in the Supreme Court or it's Titan goddess "Lady Liberty" nee "Justicia, the goddess of retribution and justice.

    The head "liberal" in the White House justifies beheadings and burning people alive while his followers rail at Bibles in schools.

    Don't try to give me any crap about Christians not being persecuted in America.

    Or does your "caring" stop at the US border?
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